Goldline Springs Installed!! Detailed Pics!!
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Joined: 08-07-2009
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From: Charlotte, NC
Anything that's not a GM part installed by GM is not warrantied itself...clearly. But your question holds true for anything aftermarket. If they can prove that what you installed had a direct causal relationship on some damage that thing is not covered. There's nothing that "voids" a warranty entirely. So if your oiled air intake by K&N screws up the MAP sensor and then causes additional damage as a result you're out of luck...for the sensor and whatever goes back behind any aftermarket part where there is damage...if its tied to the part in front of it. They have to show this is the case. But it can be simething small like the aforementioned. And some thing major like your engine seizing but you have goldlines would have no bearing on your warranty. This is an odd and often misunderstood question.
More simply. You'll never get their shocks or springs when you've replaced them with aftermarket ones...and for anything else to be affected by them...its just doubtful. Maybe if you hit a hard bump and they broke and your vehicle was structurally damaged or the wheel was damaged...then its on you. Most scenarios seems highly doubtful with spring/shocks/coilovers. Now when you mess with the engije that's the meat of your warranty and where the potential is high for a part or tune to impact something else....and it be on you.
More simply. You'll never get their shocks or springs when you've replaced them with aftermarket ones...and for anything else to be affected by them...its just doubtful. Maybe if you hit a hard bump and they broke and your vehicle was structurally damaged or the wheel was damaged...then its on you. Most scenarios seems highly doubtful with spring/shocks/coilovers. Now when you mess with the engije that's the meat of your warranty and where the potential is high for a part or tune to impact something else....and it be on you.
Last edited by Neogenic; Sep 9, 2009 at 04:54 PM. Reason: Logic.
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From: Washington State, where it rains
Nice set up ....but...not cost justifiable for the average user. 35 settings..most of which you won't be able to notice unless your turning laps against a clock and have enough seat time to compare to( and even then with continuiously changing trak surfaces..you'll be forever adjusting them to compensate ).Not knocking it, it has its place. But most of us here just want a shock that will hold up to a lowered HHR and get us around town without feeling like a trampoline.
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From: Charlotte, NC
Which would still be this coilover. Its the only one I know that lowers without affecting ride quality/stiffness. That can be adjusted however. You can maintain stock settings and ride quality if you want and lower it...Or you can make it performance set...or track. Or anywhere in between.
I think its for everyone given the above and the fact it only stiffens when driving aggressively and adjusts accordingly. It doesn't feel stiffer during typical everyday driving even on higher settings. This is according to many sources.
Than the quality being top-notch.
This isn't aftermarket whatever...its high-end performance spec.
Who wouldn't want this? It can be all things to all people and even at stock settings it will handle better, ride better as an everyday driver, and can be lowered...
Not sure where the loss is here.
I think its for everyone given the above and the fact it only stiffens when driving aggressively and adjusts accordingly. It doesn't feel stiffer during typical everyday driving even on higher settings. This is according to many sources.
Than the quality being top-notch.
This isn't aftermarket whatever...its high-end performance spec.
Who wouldn't want this? It can be all things to all people and even at stock settings it will handle better, ride better as an everyday driver, and can be lowered...
Not sure where the loss is here.
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Joined: 08-06-2009
Posts: 181
From: Crestview,FL
Yes it can and they will. I've seen it happen. Here is a letter GM sent to dealers about aftermarket parts they are esp looking for aftermarket tunes that will void your entire powertrain warranty.
Date: December 8, 2008 GM 08-35
To: All General Motors Dealers, Saturn Retailers, &
General Motors VSSM Employees
From: Mark R. LaNeve
GMNA Vice President
NA Vehicle Sales, Service, and Marketing
Subject: NEW VEHICLE MODIFICATIONS - ALTERNATE PROPULSION
The purpose of this letter is to clarify GM’s position on aftermarket powertrain and propulsion conversions and to remind all GM Dealers and Saturn Retailers (herein after “Dealers”) in the U.S. of the dealer’s responsibilities and requirements for certifying and labeling a new motor vehicle relative to its compliance with applicable U.S. Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) for any modifications/alterations prior to first retail sale.
Given consumer interest in fuel economy, there has been more advertising of, and greater interest in, vehicle performance modifications (like re-calibration, control modules, chip sets), alternate fuels (like gaseous CNG, LPG & Hydrogen), and alternate propulsion systems (like Hybrid & Electric). Some aftermarket manufacturers claim to be “EPA Certified,” “California Air Resources Board (CARB) Certified,” emissions compliant, etc., and may additionally claim that they have been working with GM, are GM approved, or endorsed by GM.
As a reminder, GM does not endorse or authorize any End Products made by other Manufacturers, nor any non-GM work performed on new vehicles (by Dealers/Manufacturers/Upfitters including those with a valid Special Vehicle Manufacturer’s Agreement) other than warranty work or recall campaigns authorized by GM. This is true for new vehicles on which further work (incomplete manufacturing) is to be performed, or a new vehicle that is “altered” between the time it is certified as a completed vehicle by GM, and the time that it is delivered to the first retail, fleet, or commercial customer.
Any changes to the GM Powertrain, Fuel, or Emission Systems that involve modifications, conversions, or the addition of non-GM approved products will VOID the GM Powertrain Limited Warranty including, but not limited to the repair of engine, sensors (O2), wiring, control modules, emissions, exhaust system, catalytic converter, and any other components and/or control systems which fail because of the modification or conversion. GM will not be responsible for costs associated with the repair of these vehicles due to failure of the aftermarket installed components or failures of related vehicle systems induced by these non-GM approved products.
It is vitally important to General Motors and its dealers to continue to build and maintain consumer confidence in ours products and services, while meeting all applicable legal requirements. You are encouraged to seek the advice of your own legal counsel with respect to any incomplete or altered vehicle changes being performed or authorized by your dealership.
Date: December 8, 2008 GM 08-35
To: All General Motors Dealers, Saturn Retailers, &
General Motors VSSM Employees
From: Mark R. LaNeve
GMNA Vice President
NA Vehicle Sales, Service, and Marketing
Subject: NEW VEHICLE MODIFICATIONS - ALTERNATE PROPULSION
The purpose of this letter is to clarify GM’s position on aftermarket powertrain and propulsion conversions and to remind all GM Dealers and Saturn Retailers (herein after “Dealers”) in the U.S. of the dealer’s responsibilities and requirements for certifying and labeling a new motor vehicle relative to its compliance with applicable U.S. Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) for any modifications/alterations prior to first retail sale.
Given consumer interest in fuel economy, there has been more advertising of, and greater interest in, vehicle performance modifications (like re-calibration, control modules, chip sets), alternate fuels (like gaseous CNG, LPG & Hydrogen), and alternate propulsion systems (like Hybrid & Electric). Some aftermarket manufacturers claim to be “EPA Certified,” “California Air Resources Board (CARB) Certified,” emissions compliant, etc., and may additionally claim that they have been working with GM, are GM approved, or endorsed by GM.
As a reminder, GM does not endorse or authorize any End Products made by other Manufacturers, nor any non-GM work performed on new vehicles (by Dealers/Manufacturers/Upfitters including those with a valid Special Vehicle Manufacturer’s Agreement) other than warranty work or recall campaigns authorized by GM. This is true for new vehicles on which further work (incomplete manufacturing) is to be performed, or a new vehicle that is “altered” between the time it is certified as a completed vehicle by GM, and the time that it is delivered to the first retail, fleet, or commercial customer.
Any changes to the GM Powertrain, Fuel, or Emission Systems that involve modifications, conversions, or the addition of non-GM approved products will VOID the GM Powertrain Limited Warranty including, but not limited to the repair of engine, sensors (O2), wiring, control modules, emissions, exhaust system, catalytic converter, and any other components and/or control systems which fail because of the modification or conversion. GM will not be responsible for costs associated with the repair of these vehicles due to failure of the aftermarket installed components or failures of related vehicle systems induced by these non-GM approved products.
It is vitally important to General Motors and its dealers to continue to build and maintain consumer confidence in ours products and services, while meeting all applicable legal requirements. You are encouraged to seek the advice of your own legal counsel with respect to any incomplete or altered vehicle changes being performed or authorized by your dealership.
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Joined: 07-02-2008
Posts: 68
From: noblesville
all that says is the same thing the guy above said, gm has to prove that the aftermarket part specifically caused the other parts to fail it states it right here.
"GM will not be responsible for costs associated with the repair of these vehicles due to failure of the aftermarket installed components or failures of related vehicle systems induced by these non-GM approved products."
that says if an aftermarket part fails and causes other related parts to fail then gm won't cover it. which is how its always been. but if you put in lowering springs and your motor fails gm can not void your warantee. now if you put in lowering springs gm will likely void out say if you have a wheel bearing go bad or a shock go bad or any suspention part. but that would be because its directly related to the aftermarket part.
as for the pedders coilovers. they do have their place, and they seem to be a great product and if it was one of my other cars i'd probalby go with them. but for just the daily cummuter which right now is what my ss is, for the cost diffrence a set of goldines will suffice, i had them on my previous hhr and the ride quality was still pretty good. the only downside was with heavy snow my car acting like a snow plow. my only regrets is being lazy when i traded the old hhr for the new ss and not taking the goldlines on. i had heard about the stiffer spring rates and figured companies would make a new spring with the stiffer rates, but it looks like we won't be getting that.
"GM will not be responsible for costs associated with the repair of these vehicles due to failure of the aftermarket installed components or failures of related vehicle systems induced by these non-GM approved products."
that says if an aftermarket part fails and causes other related parts to fail then gm won't cover it. which is how its always been. but if you put in lowering springs and your motor fails gm can not void your warantee. now if you put in lowering springs gm will likely void out say if you have a wheel bearing go bad or a shock go bad or any suspention part. but that would be because its directly related to the aftermarket part.
as for the pedders coilovers. they do have their place, and they seem to be a great product and if it was one of my other cars i'd probalby go with them. but for just the daily cummuter which right now is what my ss is, for the cost diffrence a set of goldines will suffice, i had them on my previous hhr and the ride quality was still pretty good. the only downside was with heavy snow my car acting like a snow plow. my only regrets is being lazy when i traded the old hhr for the new ss and not taking the goldlines on. i had heard about the stiffer spring rates and figured companies would make a new spring with the stiffer rates, but it looks like we won't be getting that.
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Joined: 08-06-2009
Posts: 181
From: Crestview,FL
Your right and he's right Springs can void your suspension warranty for shocks/struts. The aftermarket tunes void your entire powertrain warranty but other items say radio, trim and such would still be in effect. They just void the areas that would/possible be affected by the aftermarket items. I've seen it done by the GM reps so once you alter your car you take that chance. The most recent was a customer with a 2007 Cadillac Escalade with aftermarket 22" rims with 305/xx/22 tires complaining of losing power steering during slow speed maneuvers and parking lot maneuvers and GM put a warranty block on suspension, driveline & brakes.
Joined: 08-15-2008
Posts: 8
From: Houston
Anything that's not a GM part installed by GM is not warrantied itself...clearly. But your question holds true for anything aftermarket. If they can prove that what you installed had a direct causal relationship on some damage that thing is not covered. There's nothing that "voids" a warranty entirely. So if your oiled air intake by K&N screws up the MAP sensor and then causes additional damage as a result you're out of luck...for the sensor and whatever goes back behind any aftermarket part where there is damage...if its tied to the part in front of it. They have to show this is the case. But it can be simething small like the aforementioned. And some thing major like your engine seizing but you have goldlines would have no bearing on your warranty. This is an odd and often misunderstood question.
More simply. You'll never get their shocks or springs when you've replaced them with aftermarket ones...and for anything else to be affected by them...its just doubtful. Maybe if you hit a hard bump and they broke and your vehicle was structurally damaged or the wheel was damaged...then its on you. Most scenarios seems highly doubtful with spring/shocks/coilovers. Now when you mess with the engije that's the meat of your warranty and where the potential is high for a part or tune to impact something else....and it be on you.
More simply. You'll never get their shocks or springs when you've replaced them with aftermarket ones...and for anything else to be affected by them...its just doubtful. Maybe if you hit a hard bump and they broke and your vehicle was structurally damaged or the wheel was damaged...then its on you. Most scenarios seems highly doubtful with spring/shocks/coilovers. Now when you mess with the engije that's the meat of your warranty and where the potential is high for a part or tune to impact something else....and it be on you.
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Joined: 08-07-2009
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From: Charlotte, NC
Yes it can and they will. I've seen it happen. Here is a letter GM sent to dealers about aftermarket parts they are esp looking for aftermarket tunes that will void your entire powertrain warranty.
Date: December 8, 2008 GM 08-35
To: All General Motors Dealers, Saturn Retailers, &
General Motors VSSM Employees
From: Mark R. LaNeve
GMNA Vice President
NA Vehicle Sales, Service, and Marketing
Subject: NEW VEHICLE MODIFICATIONS - ALTERNATE PROPULSION
The purpose of this letter is to clarify GM’s position on aftermarket powertrain and propulsion conversions and to remind all GM Dealers and Saturn Retailers (herein after “Dealers”) in the U.S. of the dealer’s responsibilities and requirements for certifying and labeling a new motor vehicle relative to its compliance with applicable U.S. Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) for any modifications/alterations prior to first retail sale.
Given consumer interest in fuel economy, there has been more advertising of, and greater interest in, vehicle performance modifications (like re-calibration, control modules, chip sets), alternate fuels (like gaseous CNG, LPG & Hydrogen), and alternate propulsion systems (like Hybrid & Electric). Some aftermarket manufacturers claim to be “EPA Certified,” “California Air Resources Board (CARB) Certified,” emissions compliant, etc., and may additionally claim that they have been working with GM, are GM approved, or endorsed by GM.
As a reminder, GM does not endorse or authorize any End Products made by other Manufacturers, nor any non-GM work performed on new vehicles (by Dealers/Manufacturers/Upfitters including those with a valid Special Vehicle Manufacturer’s Agreement) other than warranty work or recall campaigns authorized by GM. This is true for new vehicles on which further work (incomplete manufacturing) is to be performed, or a new vehicle that is “altered” between the time it is certified as a completed vehicle by GM, and the time that it is delivered to the first retail, fleet, or commercial customer.
Any changes to the GM Powertrain, Fuel, or Emission Systems that involve modifications, conversions, or the addition of non-GM approved products will VOID the GM Powertrain Limited Warranty including, but not limited to the repair of engine, sensors (O2), wiring, control modules, emissions, exhaust system, catalytic converter, and any other components and/or control systems which fail because of the modification or conversion. GM will not be responsible for costs associated with the repair of these vehicles due to failure of the aftermarket installed components or failures of related vehicle systems induced by these non-GM approved products.
It is vitally important to General Motors and its dealers to continue to build and maintain consumer confidence in ours products and services, while meeting all applicable legal requirements. You are encouraged to seek the advice of your own legal counsel with respect to any incomplete or altered vehicle changes being performed or authorized by your dealership.
Date: December 8, 2008 GM 08-35
To: All General Motors Dealers, Saturn Retailers, &
General Motors VSSM Employees
From: Mark R. LaNeve
GMNA Vice President
NA Vehicle Sales, Service, and Marketing
Subject: NEW VEHICLE MODIFICATIONS - ALTERNATE PROPULSION
The purpose of this letter is to clarify GM’s position on aftermarket powertrain and propulsion conversions and to remind all GM Dealers and Saturn Retailers (herein after “Dealers”) in the U.S. of the dealer’s responsibilities and requirements for certifying and labeling a new motor vehicle relative to its compliance with applicable U.S. Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) for any modifications/alterations prior to first retail sale.
Given consumer interest in fuel economy, there has been more advertising of, and greater interest in, vehicle performance modifications (like re-calibration, control modules, chip sets), alternate fuels (like gaseous CNG, LPG & Hydrogen), and alternate propulsion systems (like Hybrid & Electric). Some aftermarket manufacturers claim to be “EPA Certified,” “California Air Resources Board (CARB) Certified,” emissions compliant, etc., and may additionally claim that they have been working with GM, are GM approved, or endorsed by GM.
As a reminder, GM does not endorse or authorize any End Products made by other Manufacturers, nor any non-GM work performed on new vehicles (by Dealers/Manufacturers/Upfitters including those with a valid Special Vehicle Manufacturer’s Agreement) other than warranty work or recall campaigns authorized by GM. This is true for new vehicles on which further work (incomplete manufacturing) is to be performed, or a new vehicle that is “altered” between the time it is certified as a completed vehicle by GM, and the time that it is delivered to the first retail, fleet, or commercial customer.
Any changes to the GM Powertrain, Fuel, or Emission Systems that involve modifications, conversions, or the addition of non-GM approved products will VOID the GM Powertrain Limited Warranty including, but not limited to the repair of engine, sensors (O2), wiring, control modules, emissions, exhaust system, catalytic converter, and any other components and/or control systems which fail because of the modification or conversion. GM will not be responsible for costs associated with the repair of these vehicles due to failure of the aftermarket installed components or failures of related vehicle systems induced by these non-GM approved products.
It is vitally important to General Motors and its dealers to continue to build and maintain consumer confidence in ours products and services, while meeting all applicable legal requirements. You are encouraged to seek the advice of your own legal counsel with respect to any incomplete or altered vehicle changes being performed or authorized by your dealership.
This is only logical. Seriously. And with the GM tune you can get, it makes it a moot point. After the fifth year or so many miles, than go get a Hahn tune or whatever. I mentioned that the K&N air filter could potentially void the warranty if the oil on it did damage to the MAP, then the MAP error caused extensive damage...is this likely? No. Its possible. I stated this. You can't take one sentence out of my whole statement and write alarmist points.
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Joined: 08-07-2009
Posts: 159
From: Charlotte, NC
What "front warranty"? There's a full warranty and powertrain warranty that is limited to just that that extends past the full one, unless you purchased and entended warranty.