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Old Sep 29, 2009 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JediAce
Exactly! The Secret Services intake is the only one I have seen that appears to draw in outside air. All of the others are drawing hot air from the engine bay.

I would like to have a CAI on my SS, but I have yet to see one that doesn't suck in hot air.

One owner on another forum built his own CAI which takes in air from straight ahead of the airbox.

http://turbochargedgm.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2271

Not sure why the vendors have not gone in that direction with their designs.
Weapon brand intakes offers a cold air kit with / for some of their intakes , and K&N uses the oem fuzzy tube crap...but these are for non turbo , which is what this thread was about......AEM makes a piece that fits in the oem ss cold air box , i think it's less than $100
Old Sep 29, 2009 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by XXL
Hahn has clearly abandoned the HHR crowd. Even where parts can be cross-fitted, he doesn't even bother to advertise as such on his site.
I actually spoke to Bill on Friday of last week, to order IC piping. He has had a pretty rough sickness in the family and as he states, " nothing has gone into developement for the better part of year". I was told that the CAI will be coming shortly and he will be making a turbo package for the 2.4 before the year is out.

I have to agree with XXL about there not being too many offerings for our SS. Fine by me, this reminds me alot of the early days of Hot Rodding, where some of the most innovative ideas and mods came out of the home garage. We should look to People like XXL, Mightymouse, GCSD, and others for pushing the envelope with our cars and being nice enough to share that info to anyone wanting to follow along.

Am I upset with the SS offerings, oh yeah, but we have a lot more toys to play with than most. From a $10.00 BOV Spring, to a $900.00 IC and Piping package. we got cheap Bembros, slotted discs. LED lights. Springs, Coilovers, etc. But the best part, are the parts we end up making work, or making up. Just my $.02
Old Sep 30, 2009 | 08:32 AM
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The truck I drive ( my job ride) has a 600 hp/2100 ft torque Cat engine under the hood with two HUGE air filters mounted externally. No air comes from under the hood and I can say that on a cool morning she will pull a 4mile,7% grade in the 68/73 mph range with a 70,000 lb gvw. Mid day, warmer temps and I'm pullin' in the 62/67 mph range. The warmer the slower. It's all about the temperture of the air, not how much. It would be best to notch the air filters into the sides of the hood and then plumb it to the tb. I've often wondered why this hasn't been r and d'ed.
Old Sep 30, 2009 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by stranger
It's all about the temperture of the air, not how much.
Anecdotally, you are correct. However... it is precisely the temperature that determines the quantity. Remember the gas laws (Charles', Boyles', etc.)--

At a given pressure, the volume of a gas increases or decreases by the same factor as the temperature (i.e. as the temperature increases, the gas expands).

Thus, hotter air means you're getting less into the engine, and thus the drop in efficiency.
Old Sep 30, 2009 | 12:04 PM
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Thanks XXL for adding what was in my head! It's all about the quality of the air that we are forcing into the combustion chamber.
Now if someone would come up with a panel filter, in a housing, that would be mounted to the outside edge of the rail/upper support arm in the rear corners of the engine compartment, and of course notch the hood to expose the filter to outside air. One set up on each side would be ideal.
I'd be the first to buy it or let my SS be used as the mule for the fab job. Now that would be getting cool air in, just a different way than most are thinking.
Old Oct 1, 2009 | 06:47 PM
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alright here is how it goes. i dont have an SS but i do have a K&N air intake which looks and functions similar to the one on the SS. The way that air intakes work is the longer of a distance the air is pulled through (i talked to a perfromance shop about this one, because i was wondering too) the more torque that you get. More torque equals faster acceleration! As for the whole getting more air thing: consider this. The diameter of the intake tube from the fender is what 2.5" maybe 3" on the SS, i just don't know. But measure it. Now, measure the diameter of the tube going into the engine. What is the diameter? the same as the intake tube!!!!!!!!!!! this means that the engine is going to pull the exact same amount of air with or without the cover. All taking the cover off is going to do is mix the 200 degree air with the intercooled air of the turbo, giving you less dense air in your intake, causing a DROP IN HORSEPOWER!!! Seems kinda pointless... but that is just me. Now if you want a really good idea put in a functional hood scoop that can be sealed easily when it rains. THAT WILL MAKE HORSEPOWER!!!
Old Oct 1, 2009 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 06gray2ltHHR
alright here is how it goes. i dont have an SS but i do have a K&N air intake which looks and functions similar to the one on the SS. The way that air intakes work is the longer of a distance the air is pulled through (i talked to a perfromance shop about this one, because i was wondering too) the more torque that you get. More torque equals faster acceleration! As for the whole getting more air thing: consider this. The diameter of the intake tube from the fender is what 2.5" maybe 3" on the SS, i just don't know. But measure it. Now, measure the diameter of the tube going into the engine. What is the diameter? the same as the intake tube!!!!!!!!!!! this means that the engine is going to pull the exact same amount of air with or without the cover. All taking the cover off is going to do is mix the 200 degree air with the intercooled air of the turbo, giving you less dense air in your intake, causing a DROP IN HORSEPOWER!!! Seems kinda pointless... but that is just me. Now if you want a really good idea put in a functional hood scoop that can be sealed easily when it rains. THAT WILL MAKE HORSEPOWER!!!

Old Oct 2, 2009 | 12:54 PM
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I have the RPD option, and it shows a significant rise in inlet temp, with the air box cover off. I was thinking off installing a water spray bar infront of the intercooler using the window washer tank as a supply. I rarely if ever use it here in Southern Ca. Has anybody tried anything like this? What results?

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Old Oct 2, 2009 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by XXL
Anecdotally, you are correct. However... it is precisely the temperature that determines the quantity. Remember the gas laws (Charles', Boyles', etc.)--

At a given pressure, the volume of a gas increases or decreases by the same factor as the temperature (i.e. as the temperature increases, the gas expands).

Thus, hotter air means you're getting less into the engine, and thus the drop in efficiency.
Very good point. To add to that, warmer air holds more moisture, and serves as a medium to dissipate heat by meeting the dewpoint at higher temps, hence, evaporative cooling (which is gaining interest with mission critical cooling applications). Bottom line is that lower humidity will exhibit a lower heat transfer at a given temp (dewpoint) than at higher temps.

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Old Oct 5, 2009 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by foolmoon_design
I actually spoke to Bill on Friday of last week, to order IC piping. He has had a pretty rough sickness in the family and as he states, " nothing has gone into developement for the better part of year". I was told that the CAI will be coming shortly and he will be making a turbo package for the 2.4 before the year is out.

I have to agree with XXL about there not being too many offerings for our SS. Fine by me, this reminds me alot of the early days of Hot Rodding, where some of the most innovative ideas and mods came out of the home garage. We should look to People like XXL, Mightymouse, GCSD, and others for pushing the envelope with our cars and being nice enough to share that info to anyone wanting to follow along.

Am I upset with the SS offerings, oh yeah, but we have a lot more toys to play with than most. From a $10.00 BOV Spring, to a $900.00 IC and Piping package. we got cheap Bembros, slotted discs. LED lights. Springs, Coilovers, etc. But the best part, are the parts we end up making work, or making up. Just my $.02
I second this!
Only you forgot to mention that there is a factory stage kit at a reasonable price available.
I love my SS and for the price, it keeps up with, or beats, a lot of higher priced rides. And, I can load the family in with all of their crap and take a long trip in comfort....



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