all this talk on airflow and seems everyone has forgotten about heat.

 

Exactly! The Secret Services intake is the only one I have seen that appears to draw in outside air. All of the others are drawing hot air from the engine bay.

I would like to have a CAI on my SS, but I have yet to see one that doesn't suck in hot air.

One owner on another forum built his own CAI which takes in air from straight ahead of the airbox.

http://turbochargedgm.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2271

Not sure why the vendors have not gone in that direction with their designs.

 

That's why MANY of us are saying saying don't do it unless you just want better looks or the sound as you will lose power by sucking hot air from under the hood.

 

Because, aside from all the conversation, there are only a handful of people who would actually buy them. Actual "here's my payment" demand is much less than "I would buy one of those if they were available" demand. With less than 5000 cars made in 2008, and likely fewer in 2009, there's no market for vendors to expect to make enough money to justify the capital investment. I "know a guy who" was working both the technical and business numbers on putting a line of products together. That capital will make more money in a low interest savings account

 

I was refering to the so-called CAI's that have already been produced. K&N, Dejon, CGS. They went to the expense of developing a product that draws in hot air. With 2349 SS's built in 2009 I agree it is a little late to make the investment now.

 

IMO, those are all "off the shelf" pseudo-designs... grab some pipe, bend it up, stick it on. Those didn't cost much to develop, and as such, aren't very effective.

I hadn't yet seen the 2009 numbers. That makes ~ 7000 total buyers for 100% market saturation. Figure, in your wildest fantasies, that you could get 3% market saturation. That's 210 units. Startup for the project (hxpdesign.com) looked to be about $8000, including R&D time, marketing, materials, fixtures, etc., but NOT including any equipment (which is partially in place, so near zero cost to leverage that). COGS would run around $200 each, including raw material, fittings, hardware, packaging, and docs. So, to even recoup the initial investment back to ZERO profit would require they sell for almost $250 each. That's using the 210 unit mark and NO profit. Selling only 105 would get us to $280, again with NO profit. On another thread, though the "invest up front model" may have led some potential buyers to pass, they've been trying to get _10_ people on a "yes" list for months. It's a dead proposition.

My intake will be a one-off, just like my exhaust is. It will be expensive as hell, but I won't be sinking tooling costs as well since it'll be one-off. That's where this platform is for aftermarket parts when they don't cross-pollinate to similar platforms (ie, Cobalt, Sol/Sky, etc.)

 

Gonna use gold plating or what, Can't wait to see what you come up with for gobs of money. The more you spend , The higher the HP , Right.

 

Was there a fan blowing air at the air box at 70-100 mph or did you just remove the lid and do a stagnet air dyno, if so , 9 hp loss is less than i'd figure.

 

yeah the market for our cars is small. most stuff you see called out for our cars is simple bolt up fits 100 diffrent cars type junk. im surprised bill (hahn) is sending out parts for our cars. but since they are doing the cobalts i guess its probalby not as much trouble to modify that to work with our cars.

 

Hahn has clearly abandoned the HHR crowd. Even where parts can be cross-fitted, he doesn't even bother to advertise as such on his site.