so does this finally bypass the "nanny-code" that causes it to detune power back to stock when it detects an increase in power?

 

Sorry but for that price I will wait for my tuner to get the new HP tuners that way I can actually see the performance gains on my car. Everytime ive used a handheld with presets they have been junk and for that price you can keep it.

 

Indeed it does!

 

There's two distinctly separate markets at play here. I'd like to elaborate on how PPC fits in the mix:

It's important to note that the HPTuners is not a complete solution to the new and very different management tables in these new Bosch-provided LNF PCM's. As it is a tuning program, essentially a tool kit and not a 100% solution, it also does not come pre-tuned, whereas the PPC Tuner is a completely-engineered, plug-and-play hand-held solution that has a strong history of outstanding results. PPC has also been engineered and calibrated by the two companies who, combined, boast more experience with Ecotec turbos and this new and very unique Bosch direct-injection system than all other vendors combined....Hahn RaceCraft and BSR.

HPTuners offers a great product, and I don't doubt that someday, their solution to these 2.0 Ecotec LNF Turbos will be completed. They are a small organization with a lot on their plate right now, and frankly, much larger priorities than these LNF turbos. They'll get there; it's just a question of when, for V8 applications and their new Ford and Chrysler releases dominate their time right now.

It's also important to keep in mind that while the broad majority of HPTuners-equipped dyno operators are very well-schooled in late model GM V8 applications, this new turbo vehicle is an amazingly different animal. We've seen that familiarity with HPTuners alone does not assure one of acceptable, affordable results with this high-tech new engine, certainly not on the level that we and BSR are capable of. As such, the actual and ultimate dyno and tuning time to achieve good results can turn into some real $$$.

PPC also allows instantaneous return to stock programming, by the car owner, which can be amazingly handy if and when the need arises, for it usually arises very suddenly! One just may not have the opportunity or time in such instances to return to the local dyno-shop to revert to stock programming, or ship their PCM cross-country for this service. With PPC, it's just plug-and-go, several minutes at most. Of course, one can purchase one's own HPTuners cable and software, then learn how to use HPTuners and a laptop PC for this...but that cost, when combined with the cost of dyno development, may well exceed the cost of PPC...and while the PPC is designed to be beginner-friendly with several prompts that can literally be learned in minutes, learning how to manipulate program calibrations with HPTuners is a much more detailed undertaking.

Overall, for those seeing an easy-to-apply solution that does not require dyno tuning and tinkering, the BSR PPC is an outstanding alternative that has no peer in this current market for 2.0 LNF Turbo. Nothing is easier, nothing is more proven, and nothing else can boast the depth of development capability. For those seeking a solution that will some day allow them to get thieir hands dirty, learn a program, and do their own tuning, HPTuners may well be a better choice, but frankly, that's an entirely separate group than PPC is targeted at.

I illustrate these differences not to persuade GTO to HHR, but to ensure that others who also read the thread are able to understand the inherent differences in the two products and their implementation and results.

 

Excellent information, thanks.

I've had my GTO custom dyno tuned for $400 which was well worth it because, no two engines perform the same, close maybe, but not the same. Another reason I selected a custom tune over a canned tune is because of the bolt ons like headers and CIA.

Since the SS engine is a 4 cylinder forced induction engine, I would consider a canned tune and I do not plan on adding any bolts ons. Any issues of like engine performance are canned.

So my comment is, the price is just way too high and puts it out of reach for me. I'm not a poor man but I'm a long ways from being rich, and I'm not in this boat alone.

I'm looking for an affordable tune, the magic number is under $400 which is also under the amount needed for getting wife approval. Any chance of someone coming out with a less expensive tune?

 

I bought the HPtuners suite, and it is fairly interesting to look at the parameters that are accessible, no tune yet, which is a disappointing to say the least. I just ordered the PPC BSR Tuner from Hahn, so we will see how that goes. Regarding price, I personally think it is reasonable. I remember spending over $100 for headers, and about the same for a Holley carb and a cam back in 1968, so in today's dollars $1000 is pretty reasonable for the same sort of power gain.

 

that price is kind of steep.But new age of engines so i guess new age prices..soo long to the 4-500 price tags for tunes.

 

Would love to buy one but it is hard to justify the price to the other half.

 

I've done custom and handheld tunes in the past. So I have one question to ask that I can't believe hasn't been asked already.

What are the HP gains with this tune? You've got a very bold statement there, what are the facts?

 

I'll expand a bit more on your question, and you are right, no one bothered to ask .

What are the gains over stock and what do the HP and torque curves look like?