300 FWHP From an Automatic?
06-26-2009, 06:53 AM
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300 FWHP From an Automatic?
Hey all, New to forums...Just picked up a 08 black SS with 5K on it...Looking to make this thing a little sleeper...Is 300 FWHP too much for the tranny? What is the max for the vehicle? Must remain dependable and I dont want to void my warranty...Thanks...Al
06-26-2009, 07:17 AM
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If you don't want to void the warranty, get the stage kit. It won't make 300WHP but it is about all you can do if your main goal is to keep the warranty. It makes 290 rated HP, and a good bit less than that to the wheel.
06-26-2009, 07:37 AM
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Do an advanced search using the words warranty and tune in the HHR SS or the 2.0L Performance Tech forums and you will find some threads on the subject. GM has put out a bulletin regarding any non GM calibrations. Read below.
Non GM calibrations will void the power train warranty as stated below.
Service Information 2009 Chevrolet HHR | HHR (VIN A) Service Manual | Document ID: 2182477
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#08-06-04-033B: Identifying Aftermarket Engine and Transmission Calibrations Gas Powered Engines Only and Automatic Transmissions - (Aug 26, 2008)
Subject: Identifying Aftermarket Engine and Transmission Calibrations 2.0L, 2.2L, 2.4L, 2.8L, 2.9L, 3.0L, 3.1L, 3.2L, 3.4L, 3.5L, 3.6L, 3.8L, 3.9L, 4.2L, 4.3L, 4.4L, 4.6L, 4.8L, 5.0L, 5.3L, 5.7L, 6.0L, 6.2L, 7.0L, 7.4L, 8.1L Gas Powered Engines Only and 6T40/45 (MH8), 6T70/75 (MH2, MH4, MH6, MY9), 6L50 (MYB) 6L80 (MYC) or 6L90 (MYD) Automatic Transmission
Models: 2006-2009 GM Passenger Cars and Light Duty Trucks
2006-2009 HUMMER H2, H3
EXCLUDING Pontiac Vibe, Wave, Chevrolet Aveo, All Saturn and Saab Models
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This bulletin is being revised to remove the Pontiac G8 from the list of excluded vehicles. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 08-06-04-033A (Section 06 -- Engine/Propulsion System).
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Important: This bulletin applies to Gas Powered Engines ONLY. For Diesel Powered Engines, refer to Service Bulletin #08-06-04-006A.
If a suspicious hard part failure is observed in the engine, transmission, transfer case or driveline, perform the calibration verification described to determine if a non-GM issued engine calibration is installed. Non-GM issued engine calibrations subject driveline components to stresses different than the calibrations which these components were validated to. Repairs to engine, transmission, transfer case and/or other driveline components where a non-GM engine calibration has been verified are not covered under the terms of the New Vehicle Warranty.
Service Information 2009 Chevrolet HHR | HHR (VIN A) Service Manual | Document ID: 2182477
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#08-06-04-033B: Identifying Aftermarket Engine and Transmission Calibrations Gas Powered Engines Only and Automatic Transmissions - (Aug 26, 2008)
Subject: Identifying Aftermarket Engine and Transmission Calibrations 2.0L, 2.2L, 2.4L, 2.8L, 2.9L, 3.0L, 3.1L, 3.2L, 3.4L, 3.5L, 3.6L, 3.8L, 3.9L, 4.2L, 4.3L, 4.4L, 4.6L, 4.8L, 5.0L, 5.3L, 5.7L, 6.0L, 6.2L, 7.0L, 7.4L, 8.1L Gas Powered Engines Only and 6T40/45 (MH8), 6T70/75 (MH2, MH4, MH6, MY9), 6L50 (MYB) 6L80 (MYC) or 6L90 (MYD) Automatic Transmission
Models: 2006-2009 GM Passenger Cars and Light Duty Trucks
2006-2009 HUMMER H2, H3
EXCLUDING Pontiac Vibe, Wave, Chevrolet Aveo, All Saturn and Saab Models
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This bulletin is being revised to remove the Pontiac G8 from the list of excluded vehicles. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 08-06-04-033A (Section 06 -- Engine/Propulsion System).
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Important: This bulletin applies to Gas Powered Engines ONLY. For Diesel Powered Engines, refer to Service Bulletin #08-06-04-006A.
If a suspicious hard part failure is observed in the engine, transmission, transfer case or driveline, perform the calibration verification described to determine if a non-GM issued engine calibration is installed. Non-GM issued engine calibrations subject driveline components to stresses different than the calibrations which these components were validated to. Repairs to engine, transmission, transfer case and/or other driveline components where a non-GM engine calibration has been verified are not covered under the terms of the New Vehicle Warranty.
06-26-2009, 08:37 AM
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^^^^What this poster said ^^^^
After reading that, you have a problem with your combination
Stage Kit is your only option. Then beg GM for another higher hp, under warranty stage kit (not going to happen)
After reading that, you have a problem with your combination
What is the max for the vehicle? Must remain dependable and I dont want to void my warranty
06-26-2009, 08:45 AM
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As the TSB hillsdale mentions, GM can tell if you had "tuned" the motor and then changed it back. If you want to maintain the warranty, don't put a non-GM tune on the car.
06-26-2009, 09:16 AM
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These trannys were not lasting in Grand Prixs at or around 315-320 HP. Any thing over 300 HP will shorten the life or may create a failure. The bigger stonger trannys will not fit with out some modifications to the pan.
06-26-2009, 09:21 AM
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Very true, in my talks with Bill Hahn, he has said that once we hit the 300whp threshold, it will take a rebuilt tranny to go any higher. But he did say 300 should be okay unless your gonna be at the track/racing it regularly. 300whp is what we're shooting for to start. I have a 2.4 but the tranny is basically the same. Even at 300, he will have to "tune" the tranny.