not to get into a wee wee fight here,but considering what the man has gone through,some of it is warranted. for god sake the man left his business to care for his sick father,only to have his father pass away. then to up and move his business from up north to florida and start over is alot. he's now getting back on his feet with things. cut him some slack. the only complaint i have on bill is that he never came through with the CAI for the hhr,but did for the cobalt,which is probably the best unit for that car. imo the dp all these other companies have,are copies of his. when hahn dp came out, it was the ONLY one with NO CEL(catless dp). now you have people that have followed that technology. i really don't think anything for our cars are "better" than another. my hahn piping flows,weighs,yields just as much hp than any other pipe kit out for the ss. it's personnel likes and what kind of deal you can get. tuning is the only difference when it comes to performance. the intercoolers all flow about the same. the exhaust is the same thing(weight may play factor) 3inches is going to flow the same from hahn,zzp,dejohn,or whoever. these after market turbos are still being played with,but looks like most people are seeing 375 to the ground. yea yeah,cobalts are seeing over 400...well seems like the hhr peeps need to find out what's going wrong

said all that to say, i won't knock another brand,unless i got sanduskied royally!!! but when all of it works about the same, i say go for it. i just advise to try to stick with parts from the same company incase of engine failure or not getting the hp you paid for.

 

Yea id rather stick with a company that has something going for there self along with a good rep. I talked to zoomer this morning, there intercooler will be put back up for sale in march so Ill buy it then.

 

I will give it to you for what Bill has gone through, but there's your personal life, and your business. It's simple.

As for one packing more of a gain, yeah I will give you that, the differences won't vary too greatly. However material used, think your Hahn charge pipes here, and coating used as well, hence why ZZP was an easy decision for me. Sorry I love the OEM look black wrinkle powdercoat provides, and the lines it follows as the OEM upper did. It does all boil down to preference on any part. Still little details make all the difference to some consumers. Bang for buck really comes into play in this community though and simply your pricing and quality needs to be competitive.

Saying everyone's downpipe is a copy, well that's a joke to me, you can't really put a different spin on a downpipe so it's not a follow-the-leader game, it's a produce a product that works game. Any turbo car to come out there will be a downpipe offered for it, and they'll all resemble each other. That's obvious.

As for the Cobalt's over 400hp, too easy! They're far more performance oriented and this sector isn't as large nor the same demographic. Find me a solid HHR SS build on here that's not a typical bolt-on build. From CSS.net I think of Scythe_snake right away, his car has a ton of great parts and is a legit build and driver. Thoughts of E85 and an S25x plague me (easy 400+) but I'm still trying to maintain bolt-on status with an EFR god help it ever gets released.


Assume this is increased clearance version? If so, awesome, wish I had waited it out.

 

I hope so, he told me early next march. Guess alot of people have already ordered one....Itll give me time to save a little more to, buy the IC piping and dp at the same time.

 

I have a brand new ZZP IC for sale in the classifieds. It was never installed. Since Bill Hahn lives 5 miles down the road from me, I am going all Hahn product.

 

Tempting, Im just curious to see what ZZPS new IC is like. But ill let you know.

 

I would imagine this is their new one. I just got it mid-December

 

its the same down here in florida during the summer, its like that until about 3-5 and then it just rains for the rest of the day, everyday

 

What part of FL are you from?

 

The "new one" isn't released, it's just an increased clearance version so visually shouldn't vary too much. Mine does hang a bit below the cover and I trimmed the lower shield due to such, would have been nice to not alter it though eh it does look beast :).