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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 11:04 AM
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it is black music, just like the blues and you cannot overlook the social cause behind the music
Old Jul 28, 2007 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by quest51210
it is black music, just like the blues and you cannot overlook the social cause behind the music
I disagree. Hip hop is not black music. It has it's definitive roots as urban music but has progressed beyond that. When you look at the early hip hop and B boy movements race wasn't as important as culture. Watch Beat Street. Granted back in the day there were artist like X-Clan and Afrika Bambaataa that were proud of their African roots but their were also white pioneers like the Beasty Boys and 3rd Base. Even though I'm by definition white I grew up in the the ghetto listening to hip hop (amongst other music) so hence it's part of my culture. Like 70% - 80% of hip hop is being bought by a white audience anyways and almost all positive movement, enlightened, and underground hip hop is purchased by whites because catchy thug **** is what sells to the black market. I don't think any race can claim rap as it's own.........That's like saying rock and roll is white music.
Old Jul 28, 2007 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by quest51210
it is black music, just like the blues and you cannot overlook the social cause behind the music
Attributing a genre of music regardless of subject matter to race, are we?

Most of the rappers and hip-hop artists I listen to happen to be white. I'm also white.

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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by captain howdy
How could you leave mc chris off your list?
Because MC Chris is a jerk
Old Jul 28, 2007 | 12:29 PM
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Because MC Chris is a jerk
Personally I love chris.......Frontalot comes in close second.
Old Jul 28, 2007 | 12:49 PM
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Personally I love chris.......Frontalot comes in close second.
His tunes are OK, but his attitude about the Nerdcore culture is weak sauce. He's refusing to perform at PAX because they won't pay him what he wants, despite other artists showing up for free.
Old Jul 28, 2007 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by captain howdy
I disagree. Hip hop is not black music. It has it's definitive roots as urban music but has progressed beyond that. When you look at the early hip hop and B boy movements race wasn't as important as culture. Watch Beat Street. Granted back in the day there were artist like X-Clan and Afrika Bambaataa that were proud of their African roots but their were also white pioneers like the Beasty Boys and 3rd Base. Even though I'm by definition white I grew up in the the ghetto listening to hip hop (amongst other music) so hence it's part of my culture. Like 70% - 80% of hip hop is being bought by a white audience anyways and almost all positive movement, enlightened, and underground hip hop is purchased by whites because catchy thug **** is what sells to the black market. I don't think any race can claim rap as it's own.........That's like saying rock and roll is white music.
beastie boys and 3rd base came later on in the movement. thr true pioneers were all black. like melle mel, bambatta, flash, kurtis blow, Cash Crew, Soul Sonic Force, Juice Crew...i can go on forever. we are talking about the music here not the culture in general. Latinos were integral in the entire movement mainly thru the Graffitti and B-Boy movemnt with the likes of Crazy Legs, Seen, Cope2. i can also go on forever on that.

I grew up and still live in the "hood" and i am not white. i also front an underground hip hop movement here in Texas that has allowed it to to from the US to Amsterdam. If you look at the statistics, underground rap is NOT purchased by any one main group. there is no way to trace records that are not traceable so your argument holds no weight. i know i am in the industry and have been for a long time. Major Label "rap" is purchased in majority by whites, but saying underground is as well is hard to trace because 99% of the sales are done "under the table" so to speak.

Originally Posted by Chizzer
Attributing a genre of music regardless of subject matter to race, are we?

Most of the rappers and hip-hop artists I listen to happen to be white. I'm also white.

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i also have an 18 page original research paper on the Blues...saying the blues is not black music is absurd and blues should be cited as the birth of rock, soul, and country along with rap and a slew of different sounds that use the afro-influence along with the urban sound. for anything else, read above
Old Jul 28, 2007 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Chizzer
His tunes are OK, but his attitude about the Nerdcore culture is weak sauce. He's refusing to perform at PAX because they won't pay him what he wants, despite other artists showing up for free.
Yeah I guess that sucks but at the same time he's has more notoriety than any other nerdcore artist. At least to people that aren't particularly into the sub-genre. Chris makes me laugh my ass of and some of his songs and remixes are awesome like Wiid.
Old Jul 28, 2007 | 01:08 PM
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www.prhymemates.com
here is a citation for our 5th year anniversary
The list of acts the Prhymemates have brought to the Alamo City is impressive, at least in indie hip-hop terms: the Micronots, Brother Ali, Atmosphere, Mr. Dibbs, Eyedea and Abilities, Jedi Mind Tricks, Quell and Typical Cats, Del the Funky Homosapien, Aceyalone, Abstract Rude, 2Mex, the Triple Threat DJs, Psalm One, and MC Paul Barman. The crew also worked promotions when Talib Kweli, MF Doom, and Snoop Dogg finally decided to roll through town.

we have promoted alot more shows including a few canadian cats like Choclair and Saukrates

we also are the promoters for Clogged Caps which is the largest graffitti art festival in the world at this time.
http://jerk247.blogspot.com/2006/07/clogged-caps-5.html
Old Jul 28, 2007 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by quest51210
beastie boys and 3rd base came later on in the movement. thr true pioneers were all black. like melle mel, bambatta, flash, kurtis blow, Cash Crew, Soul Sonic Force, Juice Crew...i can go on forever. we are talking about the music here not the culture in general. Latinos were integral in the entire movement mainly thru the Graffitti and B-Boy movemnt with the likes of Crazy Legs, Seen, Cope2. i can also go on forever on that.

I grew up and still live in the "hood" and i am not white. i also front an underground hip hop movement here in Texas that has allowed it to to from the US to Amsterdam. If you look at the statistics, underground rap is NOT purchased by any one main group. there is no way to trace records that are not traceable so your argument holds no weight. i know i am in the industry and have been for a long time. Major Label "rap" is purchased in majority by whites, but saying underground is as well is hard to trace because 99% of the sales are done "under the table" so to speak.
I can't disagree too much with that. I just have a hard time saying one race owns a music. To me the idea seems absurd.

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