Amethyst.....

You scare me....and you, "run a large medical research facility".....hmmm. But you do not understand the article is about J.D. Powers results FOR INITIAL QUALITY OF NEW VEHICLES....not 2008, 2007, 2006....but 2009. So, my point is do you own or have you spent any appreciable time in the use of a 2009 GM vehicle....or any 2009 vehicle to compare?

The "Change" I spoke of in my original post to you, I can readily identify because I buy a new GM vehicle ALMOST every year. The INITIAL quality change is easily identified in each newer vehicle.....and if you research J.D. Powers previous ratings you'll notice they do confirm this.

Is GM, OVERALL up to Toyota in the ratings...no not yet, but the gap is closing IN INITIAL QUALITY. The ratings for extended quality....one, two, three year.....we'll need to wait on.

But in conclusion, I do agree with you about some of the positive comments some GM owners make....especially after experiencing continual problems with several different vehicles. That is amazing, huh. But does this not also fit a description of you. If you had previous and current bad experiences with GM products, why do you continue to buy the brand.....an HHR and an HHR SS? By you own statement use reviewers remarks as a basis to purchase....you use your own experiences, you may complain and B***H about them but you continue to buy

 

LMAO, how you derive that I do not understand the article is beyond me. Also, INITIAL QUALITY means NOTHING. It is how the car does 10k, 20k, 50k and so on down the road that matters. Hell I am sure a yugo when it was new had good quality for the first few weeks before it fell apart lol.

You sure do seem to know a lot about me, hell you need to PM me next weeks lottery numbers since you are able to tell what cars I own and have owned, what problems my cars have had and have not had, what I do and do not understand and other things about my personal life. That is quite impressive, did you find a magic moon rock that gave you this power or did a fairy come and visit you one night and wave his magic wand in your face while you were in bed sleeping lol?

 

Uh-oh. Another troll suffering from diarrhea of the keyboard. Where's the forum exorcist?

I remember when the Cutlass Ciera won the top spot. Didn't make me want to go buy one.

 

The truth isn't drivel. Your driving style might be. As I see you on the thread with track times. Obviously you drive the Sh.. out of your cars. You deserve to have them in the shop when you drive them that way. It's not NASCAR.

 

 

I think YOU just made MY point !!! And I culled your postings for the info.

The article is about initial quality AND ALL YOUR STATEMENTS are about extended quality. Hmmmm , let me go back maybe I missed something..... NOPE, it's about initial quality.

I agree, to a point, that initial quality may mean VERY LITTLE. But it does have some bearing. I can remember, and not to long ago, when purchasing a new car and drove out of the dealership and before hitting the first traffic signal a chrome strip would fall off, a door wouldn't open, the hood or trunk was so misaligned that it wouldn't open.

There are still problems....but not like it once was.

Oh and your wrong about the Yugo...it was a dog as soon as it was unloaded from the ship.....check if you wish....something like 20-30% wouldn't start for various reasons (hate to admit this but Rochester Products, a division of GM, had parts that were at some of the faults...but built as designed by the requester).

 

Again, I laugh my @ss off at the ignorance. Show me one post where I have ever raced or driven the "Sh.." out of my HHR SS.

I am waiting.................

Also, enlighten me how drivng a car hard (the hhr ss has never been driven hard) would cause electrical problems, sunroof problems and so on.

Again, I am waiting on your wise words lmao.

and nascar, lol? At least mention real racing, not driving around in a circle lol.

 

Oh how silly you are, re-read my post. I said that initial quality means nothing, I did not say that the article was about long term quality.

Again, domestic cars have a long way to go before they will be considered reliable by many. Glad you think they are already there. As long as the US automakers keep thinking they are "good enough" they will continue to be in the world of sh*t that they are in now.

Glad you think GM is #1, I however try to live in reality. I like my hhr but it is is no where near the quality it should be for a new car.

 

I don't disagree with that last statement, but nothing, and I mean nothing will convince me that late model Toyotas or Hondas are any better. As much as I hate Consumer Reports, I find it interesting that they no longer give an automatic approval to Toyota's vehicles. Don't you? This was mostly caused by numerous issue with the Tundra, but they alluded to other issues as well. Can't remember all the details.

BTW, Toyota and Honda are pretty close to the same "mess" that the domestics are. They both went to the Japanese govt. asking for loans. Nobody is selling the volume of cars they to remain profitable. You are right about the "good enough" attitude though. If they (domestics) had done something years ago, it would be better for them now.

I do respectfully ask that you tone down your posts a bit. Its becoming unnecessarily argumentative and trollish as hhrcrafty alluded to. You have a certain point of view and no one is going to change that, and you aren't going to change the opinions of others either.

 

I suggest you tone down your assumptions and attitude towards my opinion. Yes I may have an opinion that does not necessarily agree with yours or some of the other members on this site but I am entitled to one just as you and everyone else is. I am sorry that my opinion that GM cars need some significant improvements in their quality control but I find it quite evident that opinion is true. Just read some of the thousands of posts on this site to see for yourself.

As for imports, yes there are some imported cars that are more reliable and there are some that are not.

I think we can just agree to disagree on this matter. There is no ignoring the laundry list of issues I have had with the past 2 GM cars I have purchased NEW. As for my next cars, I doubt I will be looking at anything GM makes unless they make major strides in their quality. I do not favor any particular car company, import or domestic unlike what you try to insinuate. I just try to honestly state what my experiences have been. I am not going to lie and post "OMG GM ROCKS!" simply because I am on a forum based on a GM product. That would in my opinion be the wrong thing to do.

Have a nice day and again we can just agree to disagree on this I suppose.