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#41
You guys are making me homesick... visiting my grandson in SC, just came home after 4 years in Germany. Stiil have all the guns listed a long time ago, plus several more. We are now into shooting Contenders also. Just ordered a 9MM, 38Spl, and a 45 auto. Guess You could say I am having a bad case of withdrawl!
#42
#43
Updated
Add KELTEC PF-9 Handgun 9mm for the wife. May get one if I like it also.
#46
I am curious about how it is purchasing ammunition around the country. I went to my local sporting goods store this weekend and tried to buy a box of 40 cal bullets. They laughed at me. They stated that since November (election day?) they sell out of all 40 cal and 9 mm within 2 hours of opening. They get their shipment in every Tuesday and Thursday. The guy also stated they are selling 15,000 to 20,000 rounds on those days. WTF!!!!!
So I called around to 4 other stores and got the same story. Just from 5 stores that could be up to 200,000 rounds of ammo sold per WEEK.
Is it just Texas or is this nationwide. The only ammo they had was shotgun shells. No pistol (not even 22 cal) or rifle ammo to be had. When I told the guys at work they were surprised that I didn't know this. I guess I have been in a fog.
So I called around to 4 other stores and got the same story. Just from 5 stores that could be up to 200,000 rounds of ammo sold per WEEK.
Is it just Texas or is this nationwide. The only ammo they had was shotgun shells. No pistol (not even 22 cal) or rifle ammo to be had. When I told the guys at work they were surprised that I didn't know this. I guess I have been in a fog.
#47
I am curious about how it is purchasing ammunition around the country. I went to my local sporting goods store this weekend and tried to buy a box of 40 cal bullets. They laughed at me. They stated that since November (election day?) they sell out of all 40 cal and 9 mm within 2 hours of opening. They get their shipment in every Tuesday and Thursday. The guy also stated they are selling 15,000 to 20,000 rounds on those days. WTF!!!!!
So I called around to 4 other stores and got the same story. Just from 5 stores that could be up to 200,000 rounds of ammo sold per WEEK.
Is it just Texas or is this nationwide. The only ammo they had was shotgun shells. No pistol (not even 22 cal) or rifle ammo to be had. When I told the guys at work they were surprised that I didn't know this. I guess I have been in a fog.
So I called around to 4 other stores and got the same story. Just from 5 stores that could be up to 200,000 rounds of ammo sold per WEEK.
Is it just Texas or is this nationwide. The only ammo they had was shotgun shells. No pistol (not even 22 cal) or rifle ammo to be had. When I told the guys at work they were surprised that I didn't know this. I guess I have been in a fog.
To compound the problem, here in Kalifornia, The state assembly is trying to pass a bill that will make it difficult to buy more than 50 rounds at a time, and would require fingerprinting of the purchaser and make it illegal to mail order ammo. (check my sig)
It's nation wide, reasons for the shortage and high cost are plenty as well as explanations, from politics and the recent election to brass/powder short due to the war in Afghanistan/Iraq. There's been alot of hoarding and reselling at higher prices.
#48
And what gets me is since I last purchased some ammo in August of 2008 the price has tripled or doubled and since the wars have been going on for 8 years I don't think that reason is viable. I googled this little phenomenon and it appears paranoia has set in.
#49
By Jeff Knox
Where has all the ammo gone? That's a common refrain these days and not just
in a few places, but all across the country. The answer is simple and
complicated, but it's not part of a nefarious plot hatched up by Washington
politicians.
Ammo supplies got thrown out of kilter as a result of military action in
Iraq and Afghanistan and several former Warsaw Pact nations transitioning to
NATO caliber arms. Some sources of military surplus ammo have been drying up
under a UN agreement to "de-militarize" (read destroy) surplus ammo rather
than let it into the open market. During the same period the costs of metals
for components, particularly lead and copper, started climbing due to global
demand. Ammunition prices, which have held remarkably low with little
increase in decades, started going up. As prices crept up, many high-volume
ammo users, such as police training ranges, fearing continuing price
escalation and tightening supplies, decided to stock up. This put
manufacturers, who were already a little behind the curve, even further into
the hole.
At this point there wasn't really a shortage though, just an imbalance.
Industry sources say that the ammo was out there, but it was in the wrong
places. Still, the news of these regional shortfalls spread and, even though
manufacturers were ramping up their production, demand continued to empty
shelves. The perception of a shortage became a self-fulfilling prophecy as
consumers tried to beat the shortage by buying all they could find whenever
they could find it. Some retailers actually began limiting purchases to no
more than 4 or five boxes a day as a way to make sure more of their
customers could at least get some.
Enter Barack Obama.
By last November, the ammunition supply was already stretched thin and the
election of Barack Obama pushed it over the edge. November 5th, the day
after the election, Internet search engines saw a huge spike in searches for
"Barack Obama + gun control." The results of those searches drove thousands
of people into local gun shops all over the country to get that rifle,
shotgun or handgun that they feared they might not be able to get once Obama
got settled in and started getting laws passed. Naturally, along with the
increased demand for firearms was an increased demand for ammunition - both
from the new gun buyers and from folks concerned about the political and
economic future of the country. Many of these have moved into survivalist
mode with bottled water, canned food, and as much ammunition as they can get
their hands on. That group is growing, not shrinking, and has become a
"black hole," absorbing thousands of rounds of ammunition as soon as it
rolls off the assembly line.
To counter the shortage ammunition manufacturers tell me they have been
running at maximum production levels for months - 3 shifts, 24 hours a day,
7 days a week. Adding additional machinery would help, but that doesn't make
financial sense because once demand tapers off and supplies begin catching
up, there will be no more need for the additional machinery. It is also
worth noting that, just like the home reloader who might have just one press
and several sets of dies, most manufacturers use the same equipment for
loading a variety of different calibers. With demand outstripping supply,
they are concentrating on the highest demand calibers, ignoring the less
popular cartridges for the time being. When production finally catches up
with demand, expect to see these most popular calibers come back first with
.380, .41 Magnum, and .45-70 trailing along sometime later.
While there have been some rumors about import restrictions and other
regulatory changes interfering with ammo supplies, so far none of those have
proven to be true. The only detrimental action taken by the federal
government to this point was a decision by the Pentagon to destroy
once-fired brass rather than sell it to remanufacturers. That decision was
quickly reversed before any brass was destroyed.
Eventually some people who have stashed cases of ammo - including some cagey
resellers betting on price increases - will begin to think about prices
coming back down and will decide to cash in before the bubble bursts. This
will trigger an end to the shortage and a decline in prices in much the same
way the shortage was originally created.
Or the economy will continue its downward spiral leading to runs on banks, a
market crash and disruption of the food supply resulting in widespread
hunger and food riots. If that happens, those of us with a basement full of
Charmin, Spam, and 5.56 NATO are going to be sitting in the catbird seat.
Permission to reprint or post this article in its entirety is hereby granted
provided this credit is included. Text is available at
www.FirearmsCoalition.org .
#50
The news here has reported something like a backlog of 6mos for concealled carry permits and the local gun shops can't keep ammo in stock due to so many out of work people B&E's and muggings. Plus fear of Obama's possible gun regulations and various bills floating in congress make it a get it while the gettins good mentality.