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Old Jul 15, 2008 | 09:44 PM
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i watched this dvd called loose change it really changed my mind on what happend on 911! all those terriorst are still alive doing jobs, most of them said i dont even know where pennsylvania is lol...when u see the towers coming down there are explosives going off all the way down just like in a real demo... those people in flight 93 that crashed in pa didnt happen the corners said they didnt see not 1 drop of blood and the police said it looked like someone just dug up some loose dirt and dumped some used metal in it. that plane was diverted to another airport . they said they called home on there cells even though cells didnt work on planes then they just added that recently! i can go on here but this really opened up my eyes of what really happened i was really upset and mad about the terriorst and etc. to come and find out it was our own goverment had this all planed just to go to war over there and for bush to get what his father couldnt. its a great thing that loose change dvd watch it and it will change u big time!
Old Jul 15, 2008 | 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by twistedamd
i watched this dvd called loose change it really changed my mind on what happend on 911! all those terriorst are still alive doing jobs, most of them said i dont even know where pennsylvania is lol...when u see the towers coming down there are explosives going off all the way down just like in a real demo... those people in flight 93 that crashed in pa didnt happen the corners said they didnt see not 1 drop of blood and the police said it looked like someone just dug up some loose dirt and dumped some used metal in it. that plane was diverted to another airport . they said they called home on there cells even though cells didnt work on planes then they just added that recently! i can go on here but this really opened up my eyes of what really happened i was really upset and mad about the terriorst and etc. to come and find out it was our own goverment had this all planed just to go to war over there and for bush to get what his father couldnt. its a great thing that loose change dvd watch it and it will change u big time!
Dude, put down the crack pipe and save a few brain cells. The people who make DVDs like that are the same kind of people who say the Holocaust never happened and the moon landing was faked on a TV set in Hollywood.

There is no 'LOL' about 9/11. None at all. The only people, like Willie Nelson, that are spreading conspiracy theories about explosives in the towers are not even qualified to draw such conclusions. I think one was a philosophy professor in Wisconsin, far from any kind of structural engineer.

Here's what really happens:

1. Commercial aircraft dives into the dirt going .92 Mach from an altitude of 15,000 feet straight down, fully loaded with fuel. Not much of anything is going to be left.

2. Aircraft crashes into large skyscraper halfway up the tower. Unburned fuel pours into the floors below and catches fire. The fire weakens structural trusses holding up the floor that's holding up about a hundred tons of airplane parts. Structural trusses bend and break, causing a chain reaction, catastrophic failure of the entire building's structure as the top of the building gains momentum, velocity, and mass as gravity takes over.

3. Cell phones work fine on aircraft as long as you're low enough to get a signal to the towers. Phone companies don't like it because it bogs down the handshaking process as you move from tower to tower. FAA doesn't like it because of interference.

4. I'd really LOVE for you to talk with some of the families of the victims of Flight 93 and tell them that their loved ones aren't dead. Let us know how that goes, Chief.

You are officially on my ignore list.
Old Jul 16, 2008 | 07:46 AM
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listen I don't thin I laughed at 911 buddy. have you seen the actuall photos from the crash in pa no burn marks no pieces from the plain where are the engines? they are made from titanium .as with the pentagan the hole that was made was way to small for that big plane .there were no engines there either. I feel realy bad for all the people who died that day all I want to know is the truth and I think we deserve to know who and why did this.. the plane that hit the towers had no windows .there is just to many things going on just to believe our government who has lied to us before....
Old Jul 16, 2008 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by twistedamd
the plane that hit the towers had no windows .
What are you talking about?






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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 09:37 AM
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No it was Satan that caused the planes to crash into the towers - I swear I saw the devil's face on one of the towers in a video on YOU TUBE

I guess everyone 's entitled to their own opinion, I just don't have to agree with you
Old Jul 16, 2008 | 04:11 PM
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The flight 93 was diverted to another airport? So those people, on board, are alive? Where are they....in Guantanamo(sp?)? If they're alive AND FREE, why aren't they selling their story for millions of dollars EACH? Where's the plane? Where's the crew? Why hasn'y someone related to this "other airport" revealed information displaying this.

If this was a vast conspiracy, why hasn't SOMEONE connected to that conspiracy spoken and provided proof? I mean it obviously would take many people to participate in this OVERALL conspiracy. Why hasn't anyone come forward....even a relative, who wants their "loved one" returned?

Geez....sheep. Follow the herd and use no logic.

But your young and impressionable!!
Old Jul 16, 2008 | 04:44 PM
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The collapse of the twin towers has been determined to be the failure of the support "clips" that held the individual floors up (as was stated in an earlier post by HHRcrafty). In fact, they have re-created the collapse. While not considered a "design flaw", structural engineers have learned some valuable lessons regarding the type of construction used on the towers. Where most high-rise towers attach the floors to the structure on the inside of the building, then hang a "curtain wall" for the exterior, the twin towers attached the floors to structural side walls. When the supports holding one of the upper floors failed due to the incredible heat from the burning fuel, the floor dropped down on to the floor below, causing it's supports to fail, and those two floors fell down to the next floor ... and so on, and so on. The towers pancaked themselves down to the ground, leaving the structural sidewalls to fend for themselves. That's why you see sections of the walls sticking up and out of the debris. As for flight 93, they have also shown the difference in the "remains" of planes that crash by "skidding" into the earth at an angle of descent as opposed to what flight 93 did (which was to plunge nose first into the ground at a near-perpendicular angle, gaining speed as it plummeted towards the ground). One leaves a large debris field as the plane is torn apart over a span of time, generally before it catches fire or explodes. The other does not scatter debris as the explosion/fire is almost instantaneous as the plane impacts the ground.

Just sharing what I learned in my own research. Don't flame me ... I don't carry a fire extinguisher and would be forced to put you out by beating you with my fists.
Old Jul 16, 2008 | 06:11 PM
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how bizzare that ppl who say that ppl who dont believe the "offical" story on 911 about the buildings burning so much that a total collapse happend are just wierdos, sowhy dont they look at other buldings made of steel that didnt burn down or totally collapse when they wer eon fire totally gutted etc etc with weak beams etc etc and didt fall....hmm the socalled witnesses were from cheap magazines that anyone can write for while the real experts say all to the contrary?

well fuhgetaboutit..anyways...the wa rin iraq, all lies lies lies... anyone who supports the war in iraq should get the hell over there and fight for what they believe in..cuz its all bull****.. terrorism? no ... WMD? NO .. freedom? NO (the iraqis were better off under saddam than they are now) OIL? more then likely.

to quote the late george carlin .. what do they call palestinian commandos? terrorists! what do they call isreali terrorists? commandos!...
we allknow who the real god damn terrorists are, ISRAEL..
Old Jul 16, 2008 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by EL_REY
sowhy dont they look at other buldings made of steel that didnt burn down or totally collapse when they wer eon fire totally gutted etc etc with weak beams etc etc and didt fall...
Because none of them were the size of the twin towers and had multi ton airliners full of JP crash into them and explode on the top floors and had gallons upon gallons of said JP creating an absolute melting inferno....that's why


Originally Posted by EL_REY
NO (the iraqis were better off under saddam than they are now)
Thanks for making that clear...I'm sure the hundreds of thousands in the mass graves would beg to differ. Russians were a hell of a lot better off under Stalin given that logic

Same as Uganda under Amin, Cambodia under Pol Pot..and so on and so on..


I'll go by the words of the people who have actually put themselves in harms way and have had their boots on the ground in the AOR and can give first hand reports...not the rest of us keyboard warrior bozos just spouting off our opinions(myself included..Incirlik was a close as I got....so far that is...Balad may be in the near future)

Thanks for all you do A76 (and other vets on the board)


With all this said, Rey you have the right to say whatever you want to say and I respect that...I hope you give the same in kind




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Old Jul 16, 2008 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tim_tenn
Don't flame me ... I don't carry a fire extinguisher and would be forced to put you out by beating you with my fists.


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