Problems/Service/Repairs If you have a problem with your HHR, want a tip on repairing or performing a particular service to you HHR here is the place to post!

Observation about Ecotec oil filters

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-04-2007, 03:26 PM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Lone Ranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: 05-26-2007
Location: ...
Posts: 1,554
Observation about Ecotec oil filters

The Delco and Wix have a smaller diameter opening in the middle vs. the Supertech and FRAM (opening where anti-drainback valve is mounted).

I recently compared a Purolator Premium Plus unit (15436) to the Delco PF457G and noticed the Purolator had the same larger diameter opening as the Supertech and Fram units.

I wonder if this would effect Flow Rate, or if it causes the OEM design (Wix, Delco) to function differently in some fashion vs. the others? The narrower opening appers to be the reason Wix and Delco have the s-shaped mounting rails for the anti-drainback valve.
Lone Ranger is offline  
Old 07-04-2007, 09:59 PM
  #2  
Senior Member
 
Goose's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-31-2007
Location: New Hampsha
Posts: 2,479
Not sure LR.....what are you using on this latest oil change?



Goose
Goose is offline  
Old 07-04-2007, 10:13 PM
  #3  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Lone Ranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: 05-26-2007
Location: ...
Posts: 1,554
AC Delco at the moment. K&N really hypes their flow rate. Tempting, but not for $15.99... K&N oil filters are made by Champion I think, if I remember right from what I read on BITOG. I made a post to that ecotec oil filter thread on BITOG a little while ago, about trying to figure out how these cartridge filters work in the ecotec. It appears as though there is no design intent to try and hold oil in the filter housing once the engine is shut down.
Lone Ranger is offline  
Old 07-05-2007, 06:27 AM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
Black Beauty's Avatar
 
Join Date: 05-13-2006
Location: Chicago,IL
Posts: 2,334
What`s BITOG?
Isn`t the filter/canister mounted above the oil pan, vertically?
How would you expect the oil filter to stay full, and if it did, what amount of pressure would be required to move oil through such a filter?
Black Beauty is offline  
Old 07-05-2007, 07:57 AM
  #5  
Senior Member
 
Goose's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-31-2007
Location: New Hampsha
Posts: 2,479
Originally Posted by Black Beauty
What`s BITOG?
Isn`t the filter/canister mounted above the oil pan, vertically?
How would you expect the oil filter to stay full, and if it did, what amount of pressure would be required to move oil through such a filter?
BITOG is Bob is the Oil Guy Forum....


Anti Drain Back Valve is what is used on oil filters to keep oil from draining out of the filter back into the sump..I've never used a cartridge filter before so not sure exactly how this works...I'm sure there has to be some sort of anti drain back as if not all your containments that the filter catches would drain back into your system


Goose
Goose is offline  
Old 07-05-2007, 08:35 AM
  #6  
Senior Member
 
Lee3333's Avatar
 
Join Date: 12-18-2005
Location: Middle Village, NY
Posts: 1,780
My thoughts-stick with the AC/Delco. If, heaven forbid, you have any problems with your engine, you know GM will try to blame something you did. I bought a case of them from my dealer (got a good price) and keep records of all of my oil changes (also using Mobil 1).

If you use a different brand, even though we all know there should be no real difference, GM could blame your problem on using not factory parts.

(Like I am one to talk-with modified suspension, engine and computer, changed stereo, and other electronic add-on's)
Lee3333 is offline  
Old 07-05-2007, 08:50 AM
  #7  
Senior Member
 
Black Rose's Avatar
 
Join Date: 08-17-2006
Location: Ottawa, Ontario
Posts: 1,851
Originally Posted by Lone Ranger
It appears as though there is no design intent to try and hold oil in the filter housing once the engine is shut down.
That seems to be correct. When I check the oil right after the engine is shut off, the dipstick shows the oil at the Max indicator. If I let the car sit for hours, the oil is about 1/4" above the Max indicator.

BTW, when checking the oil, have the indicators on the dipstick facing the engine. Goose made that discovery.
Black Rose is offline  
Old 07-05-2007, 01:17 PM
  #8  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Lone Ranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: 05-26-2007
Location: ...
Posts: 1,554
Thumbs up

Originally Posted by Black Rose

BTW, when checking the oil, have the indicators on the dipstick facing the engine. Goose made that discovery.
I did not know this.
Lone Ranger is offline  
Old 07-05-2007, 01:24 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
Goose's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-31-2007
Location: New Hampsha
Posts: 2,479
Yeah...as you insert the stick back in...let it sort of turn like it wants to....the natural path will be for it to turn over towards the engine. Don't force it to go back in straight like I was doing....if you do that your oil will always read high. Let it just twist and with 5 qts it will be dead on



Goose
Goose is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
dustin6119
General HHR
14
08-16-2012 11:57 PM
foolmoon_design
HHR SS
11
04-14-2011 08:37 AM
mongo
General HHR
9
10-27-2010 07:18 AM
jx3
The Lounge
22
11-14-2008 12:02 PM
Lone Ranger
Problems/Service/Repairs
32
07-27-2007 06:17 AM



Quick Reply: Observation about Ecotec oil filters



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:01 AM.