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P0171, No AC, No engine fan, runs rough higher engine temps
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P0171, No AC, No engine fan, runs rough higher engine temps
An update. Donbrew, I can jump the clutch terminal and it engages to the compressor. Relay tested good, swapped it with 2 more to be sure. Doesnt look like im getting power to the relay point 87. pretty sure that means I need to trace grounds and check under waterfall to see if something is loose. I have a feeling a contact when I press the AC button isnt completing the circuit to allow it to trigger.
going to check AC relay in BCM and if it works I know the problem lies between ac controlls and bcm.
Random thought, I may have burnt my compressor up when I thought about it. My HO alt had a half inch shorter pulley. I was told to use a half inch shorter belt which was 5050400 when someone didn't realize 06s used that as stock and others used 405. I got a 395 belt to put on. Going to check compressor operation Tuesday when my gauges get here if ac doesnt work when I jump the clutch.
And holy cow I see why you guys say burp it for several days. First time, it took a little over one quart. Going to do this on an incline for a couple days and redo the flush completely as it looked like green coolant was used.
Why would you think a half inch shorter belt would "burn up" the compressor ? Not like it's going to increase the AC pulley speed very much.
And pulling the other stuff apart to check. 1st, have you checked (or jumped) that pressure switch yet ?
Used to work on auto AC's long time ago. Pressure switch was something I would always check first.
Why would you think a half inch shorter belt would "burn up" the compressor ? Not like it's going to increase the AC pulley speed very much.
And pulling the other stuff apart to check. 1st, have you checked (or jumped) that pressure switch yet ?
Used to work on auto AC's long time ago. Pressure switch was something I would always check first.
Nothing is happening when I jump the pressure switch. Its not getting voltage it looks like. And the half inch shorter belt prevents the belt from slipping. Half inch doesnt seem a lot but the ac compressor puts ALOT of strain on the motor from what ive seen.
And I didnt look further into the pressure switch yet due to if I can get the clutch to engage and AC to work I will be able to eliminate a lot and know a better area to check.
The belt tensioner; if the belt goes around it the tension stays the same. Look at the diagram again, I think you were jumping the wrong terminals. Of course, do it while the AC button is lit. (gray and org/blk; 5volt to signal),
If there is no power on 87 the relay is open. 30 and 85 should be hot. 30 is fed by the pwrtrn relay/fuse, 85 always hot.
The belt tensioner; if the belt goes around it the tension stays the same. Look at the diagram again, I think you were jumping the wrong terminals. Of course, do it while the AC button is lit. (gray and org/blk; 5volt to signal),
If there is no power on 87 the relay is open. 30 and 85 should be hot. 30 is fed by the pwrtrn relay/fuse, 85 always hot.
On the clutch relay, 85 and 86 were hot. 30 had bo power to it. When I checked operation the pwrtrn relay, it was functional.
I double checked ac switch and had power at the low reference only. I tried jumping 2 to 3 and realized my jumper cable may NOT have been making contact do to being to big. Looking for a paper click as we speak. Do I want car running, ac turned on for this test or am I leaving it off with ac button on to listen for a click?
i went back, car started, AC full blast and jumped the compressor. I went to tns cabin and noticed no difference on temperature so thought about okay I need the fan to be on as Its off when its supposed to be coming on when AC is on. I jump fan and same thing, no change im temperature.
Wouldnt ac be forced to work if fan and compressor was functioning? Its looking like I could have a burnt compressor or got a leak out of nowhere. Going to have to wait until tuesday to test the system to see whats going on.
I am getting no power to my fan when I have the AC running. I checked power at my low pressure switch and the only one that has power going to it is the low reference signal. That ground is controlled by the ECM if I am not mistaken. So basically the computer is telling it conditions arent met to turn the Ac on?
If I jump 12v to the switch signal(pin3) and it works, would that bypass the low ref signal?
Looking at these diagrams, only thing I can see is I believe something before the Ecm is not telling the ecm to switch the ac on.
Can the temperature actuator cause it to not come on?
The belt tensioner; if the belt goes around it the tension stays the same. Look at the diagram again, I think you were jumping the wrong terminals. Of course, do it while the AC button is lit. (gray and org/blk; 5volt to signal),
If there is no power on 87 the relay is open. 30 and 85 should be hot. 30 is fed by the pwrtrn relay/fuse, 85 always hot.
So I ended up checking low side, it I guess had 0 Freon on it, no idea why out of nowhere, added freon to it with a gauge and went to roughly 35 psi and didnt turn compressor on. Shook it to take it to 40 with same result. When I took the can off the low side, I heard the shrader valve leaking which was leaking due to extremely cold weather and age or possibly stuck open from the can?
Clutch didnt engage and fan stayed off. I am honestly at a loss. I dont know what else to try. Unless the ecm is commanding the air not work, but with it having low side full, I jumped clutch, it engaged but no air came out. Usually when you engage the clutch on a working system the car bogs a little from it coming on but doesnt do that. Could that mean the piston inside the compressor or something broke and it cant create the pressure needed?
Possibilities:
pressure too high
pressure too low
broken pressure sensor
broken compressor
broken clutch
broken switch
broken circ fan (AC won't run without it turned on); I have been assUmeing you know that.
broken relay
broken diode
broken fuse
broken/poor contact wires