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Old Dec 27, 2009 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Hib Halverson
The "axle nut" has nothing to do with wheel bearings. It is what retains the axle shaft. You can remove the axle nut and take out the axle shaft and the wheel bearing will remain bolted to the knuckle and not affected.

The wheel bearing assemblies are adjusted and sealed during manufacturing. They cannot be serviced in the field.
Just to clarify: On some earlier FWD vehicles, a loose axle nut can lead to separation of the inner and outer bearing races and loss of as-manufactured bearing preload. However, the new generation of these bearing assemblies, such as used on HHR, are independent of this requirement, and will not separate, even without the axle nut.
Old Dec 27, 2009 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Hib Halverson
The "axle nut" has nothing to do with wheel bearings. It is what retains the axle shaft. You can remove the axle nut and take out the axle shaft and the wheel bearing will remain bolted to the knuckle and not affected.
But only in an unloaded condition. Put weight on that unloaded bearing and the bearing races will separate (at least partially). At this point the tolerances responsible for the correct preload no longer exist.

My argument here is that while preload may not be "adjusted" as in years passed, it is still "maintained" or "preserved" by the axle/axle nut/torque combination.

Originally Posted by Hib Halverson
The wheel bearing assemblies are adjusted and sealed during manufacturing. They cannot be serviced in the field.
They also cannot be serviced in the shop, only replaced!
Old Dec 27, 2009 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rubics_cube
But only in an unloaded condition. Put weight on that unloaded bearing and the bearing races will separate (at least partially). At this point the tolerances responsible for the correct preload no longer exist.
Almost true...at least as applied to older vehicles than HHR. However, your point was about assembled axle nut torque affecting or being critical to assembled bearing preload, as in more torque can produce more preload and therefore possibly damage the bearing. This is Not true.

The fact is...the new generation bearings (as on HHR) also no longer require the axle shaft to keep them together. They work as well either with or without the shaft. It's a new method of manufacturing that you may not be aware of yet.

A practical demonstration of this is in the front spindles of the RWD Solstice and Sky. They have no axle shafts, but are the same bearing/hub assembly as used in the Cobalt and HHR.
Old Dec 27, 2009 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rubics_cube
My argument here is that while preload may not be "adjusted" as in years passed, it is still "maintained" or "preserved" by the axle/axle nut/torque combination.
As noted in my last post, this is an incorrect statement....at least where HHR is concerned.
Old Dec 27, 2009 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by EcoBoost
Just to clarify: On some earlier FWD vehicles, a loose axle nut can lead to separation of the inner and outer bearing races and loss of as-manufactured bearing preload. However, the new generation of these bearing assemblies, such as used on HHR, are independent of this requirement, and will not separate, even without the axle nut.
I would like to see an exploded diagram on this "new" design. My experienced with "new" is that's it's usually a rehash of something old. I would still maintain that the axle nut torque would have some affect on maintaining the designed preload. I'm designing the experiment already! :)
Old Dec 27, 2009 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by EcoBoost
Almost true...at least as applied to older vehicles than HHR. However, your point was about assembled axle nut torque affecting or being critical to assembled bearing preload, as in more torque can produce more preload and therefore possibly damage the bearing. This is Not true.

The fact is...the new generation bearings (as on HHR) also no longer require the axle shaft to keep them together. They work as well either with or without the shaft. It's a new method of manufacturing that you may not be aware of yet.

A practical demonstration of this is in the front spindles of the Solstice and Sky. They have no axle shafts, but are the same bearing as used in the Cobalt and HHR.
EcoBoost, can you point me to more details on this? I'll check out the Solstice and Sky.
Old Dec 27, 2009 | 01:01 PM
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It's a unique setup for sure. Whereas one could press apart the previous generation FWD bearings that required the axle shaft to stop the bearings from separating, the new generation bearings are not able to be disassembled. I won't claim engineer-level knowledge of this new bearing assembly technique, but to me it appears that once assembled, the inner hub is then swaged outward to capture the opposite side bearing.
Old Dec 27, 2009 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rubics_cube
I would still maintain that the axle nut torque would have some affect on maintaining the designed preload.
When you see the new design, it will finally make sense to you

And no, it does not require the axle nut to stop the bearings from separating.
Old Dec 28, 2009 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by rubics_cube
Wow! That wouldn't fly in any shop I ever worked/managed. Torque by any other name (or device) is not torque. :) Our rule was impact off, torque wrench on, with very few exceptions.
I was simply stating what most techs and obviously the OP do. I didn't advise him to do this.

Originally Posted by rubics_cube

On the other hand, if I saw a tech impact my axle nut, I would request a new part and a new tech or at least one who was teachable. I've just seen these "simple" repairs go south to quickly when procedures were not followed. If I'm going to pay dealer labor rates, I want things done "by the book".
OK.

Originally Posted by rubics_cube
ChevyMgr, are you still in the biz? I changed careers about 4 years ago, but still do some consulting/mediation. Gene
Does the word trolling have any meaning to you on this part of your post? I hope that's not the action you were trying to accomplish.
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