I agree with ATA, but the Intercooler. Mods to help it SHOULD in turn make the turbo to run more efficiently? Not necessairly for HP advantages but cooling the turbo etc. I do have to agree, if a NoS kit is found, I wouldnt try to push being covered under warranty.

 

The more I think, the intercooler cooling probably is in regards to having a meth kit.

oh and people should not be posting 1/4 mile times on here if you want to get denied warranty coverage for "abuse"

 

Its pretty gay. I dont see how an aftermarket catback or dp would do anything to the engine. And if it did, its a POS anyways. I can see crazy upgrades, but modest parts shouldnt be to blame for a manufacturers problem, if it happens. But I would expect no less from any car company.

 

I can't remember the car but it was a Duel kit that the flow was such that it gave false readings to the 02 sensors. they had to recall the kits as the car was having issues running correctly.

It was a very good and expensive kit that just needed more work.

Often it is the simple things that can cause the greatest issues.

It used to be most people were smarter than the cars they worked on. Today most cars are smarter than the guy wrenching on them.

It is crazy what will play havoc with a cars computer system today.

Some may know this some may not but if you used the wrong silicon gasket sealer it can wipe out many of the sensors in some engines. THis is nothing new but still many do not know and still wipe out parts that had nothing wrong with them. Most sealers have changed but some guy always grabs that old unopened tube of the wrong stuff he has had for years and messes something up.

Just because you can bolt it on does not mean you always know what you are doing. I have seen even ASE mechanics make some dumb mistakes on some of the new cars just because it was something they did not know.


Here is a warranty example of what is not covered.

If product is used under other than normal use and maintenance conditions.
If the product is modifi ed or altered.
If product is subject to abuse or neglect.
If product damage is accidental or deliberate or caused by other forces of nature.
If product use does not conform to product instructions.
If product is repaired by someone other than MFG or its authorized representative.

This is not a GM warranty nor even a car. This is a warranty on a pop up canopy.

This is a good example that shows not just GM but most MFG warranties out there are generally the same. To be fair to GM this kind of warranty has been in place for a long time. Usually when they point this out is when they see a lot of issues that were not theirs that are causing problems as in the case of the diesel engine in the trucks at the big 3.

You seldom see a service bullitin on a engine like a 2.2 or 3.6 since few people make parts for them and they see few problems with them vs 1/3 of the 2.0 SS have mods. Some good some not so good.

 

Any racing or track time post need to be considered as if you do have a marginal abuse issue it can be used against you. The burden will be on you to prove it was MFG defect and not abuse.

You already gave the MFG the cause for abuse in a post.

Just something to think about before posting here or on Youtube.

Subaru and others have already refused warranties due to proof on the web of racing.

Just something to think about.

 

Yup, Mistubishi has denied warranty coverage to Evo owners for years after they've seen clips on the net or threads in forums. Dammit, now I have to think thrice about getting that tune I want....

 

Yep.....guess I'll be takin' the TTR front motor mount out and puttin' the General's loosy goosy mount back in......you know.......abuse and all that.

 

Whats not to understand here. Stock means any orignal equipment, or dealer installed part. It does not mean any part that is not orignal equipment, or dealer installed part. Any owners manual clearly states that fact[if anyone is into reading same].
Any thing you installed, any aftermarket part[and that includes many], then you vehicle is not stock, and is subject to questions as to warranty work.
Hello, it's been that way since day one, and now some of the factories are clamping down on it, and checking for aftermaket parts.
Any "Warranty Worriers" that have installed aftermarket parts, or a tune[other that stage 1 tune], you may have just voided your warranty.
All my vehicles I have owned[plenty], I've only had to take vehicle in three times, and two of those were recalls. When I buy a vehicle, I know damn well it going to be modified, so the warranty is not a issue. If I break it due to parts I have installed, I pay for it, just like I paid for the parts to mod it.
I installed a Trifecta tune in my SS, and if I blow it up, oh well, I knew the deal going in.
If you are worried about your warranty, when don't mod it. If not, then you pays yore money, and takes yore chances....bottom line. "Moon"

 

Can an automotive dealership void your warranty?

Understanding the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975.

Nearly everyone has heard about someone who has taken a vehicle that has been modified with aftermarket parts to a dealer for warranty service, only to have the dealer refuse to cover the defective items. The dealer usually states that because of the aftermarket parts the warranty is void, without even attempting to determine whether the aftermarket part caused the problem.

This is illegal.

Vehicle manufacturers are not allowed to void the vehicle warranty just because aftermarket parts are on the vehicle. To better understand this problem it is best to know the differences between the two types of new car warranties and the two types of emission warranties.

When a vehicle is purchased new and the owner is protected against the faults that may occur by an expressed warranty - an offer by the manufacturer to assume the responsibility for problems with predetermined parts during a stated period of time. Beyond the expressed warranty, the vehicle manufacturer is often held responsible for further implied warranties. These state that a manufactured product should meet certain standards. However, in both cases, the mere presence of aftermarket parts doesn't void the warranty.

There are also two emission warranties (defect and performance) required under the clean air act. The defect warranty requires the manufacturer to produce a vehicle which, at the time of sale, is free of defects that would cause it to not meet the required emission levels for it's useful life as defined in the law. The performance warranty implies a vehicle must maintain certain levels of emission performance over it's useful life. If the vehicle fails to meet the performance warranty requirements, the manufacturer must make repairs at no cost to the owner, even if an aftermarket part is directly responsible for a warranty claim, the vehicle manufacturer cannot void the performance warranty. This protection is the result of a parts self - certification program developed by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA).

In cases where such a failed aftermarket part is responsible for a warranty claim, the vehicle manufacturer must arrange a settlement with the consumer, but by law the new - vehicle warranty is not voided.

Overall, the laws governing warranties are very clear. The only time a new vehicle warranty can be voided is if an aftermarket part has been installed and it can be proven that it is responsible for an emission warranty claim. However, a vehicle manufacturer or dealership cannot void a warranty simply because an an aftermarket equipment has been installed on a vehicle.

If a dealership denies a warranty claim and you think the claim falls under the rules explained above concerning the clean air act (such as an emission part failure), obtain a written explanation of the dealers refusal. Then follow the steps outlined in the owners manual. However, if this fails, then phone your complaint in to the EPA at (202) 233-9040 or (202) 326-9100.

If a dealer denies a warranty claim involving an implied or expressed new car warranty and you would like help, you can contact the Federal Trade Commission (FTC). The FTC works for the consumer to prevent fraudulent, deceptive and unfair business practices in the marketplace and to provide information to help consumers spot, stop and avoid them. To file a complaint, you can call toll-free, 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357), or use the online complaint form. The FTC enters Internet, telemarketing, and other fraud-related complaints into Consumer Sentinel, a secure, online database available to hundreds of civil and criminal law enforcement agencies worldwide.

What the Magnuson-Moss Act Does Not Allow

There are three prohibitions under the Magnuson-Moss Act. They involve implied warranties, so-called "tie-in sales" provisions, and deceptive or misleading warranty terms.

Disclaimer or Modification of Implied Warranties

The Act prohibits anyone who offers a written warranty from disclaiming or modifying implied warranties. This means that no matter how broad or narrow your written warranty is, your customers always will receive the basic protection of the implied warranty of merchantability.

There is one permissible modification of implied warranties, however. If you offer a "limited" written warranty, the law allows you to include a provision that restricts the duration of implied warranties to the duration of your limited warranty. For example, if you offer a two-year limited warranty, you can limit implied warranties to two years. However, if you offer a "full" written warranty, you cannot limit the duration of implied warranties.

If you sell a consumer product with a written warranty from the product manufacturer, but you do not warrant the product in writing, you can disclaim your implied warranties. (These are the implied warranties under which the seller, not the manufacturer, would otherwise be responsible.) But, regardless of whether you warrant the products you sell, as a seller, you must give your customers copies of any written warranties from product manufacturers.

"Tie-In Sales" Provisions

Generally, tie-in sales provisions are not allowed. Such a provision would require a purchaser of the warranted product to buy an item or service from a particular company to use with the warranted product in order to be eligible to receive a remedy under the warranty. The following are examples of prohibited tie-in sales provisions.

In order to keep your new Plenum Brand Vacuum Cleaner warranty in effect, you must use genuine Plenum Brand Filter Bags. Failure to have scheduled maintenance performed, at your expense, by the Great American Maintenance Company, Inc., voids this warranty.

While you cannot use a tie-in sales provision, your warranty need not cover use of replacement parts, repairs, or maintenance that is inappropriate for your product. The following is an example of a permissible provision that excludes coverage of such things.

While necessary maintenance or repairs on your AudioMundo Stereo System can be performed by any company, we recommend that you use only authorized AudioMundo dealers. Improper or incorrectly performed maintenance or repair voids this warranty.

Although tie-in sales provisions generally are not allowed, you can include such a provision in your warranty if you can demonstrate to the satisfaction of the FTC that your product will not work properly without a specified item or service. If you believe that this is the case, you should contact the warranty staff of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection for information on how to apply for a waiver of the tie-in sales prohibition.

Deceptive Warranty Terms

Obviously, warranties must not contain deceptive or misleading terms. You cannot offer a warranty that appears to provide coverage but, in fact, provides none. For example, a warranty covering only "moving parts" on an electronic product that has no moving parts would be deceptive and unlawful. Similarly, a warranty that promised service that the warrantor had no intention of providing or could not provide would be deceptive and unlawful.


You can view a more detailed legal explanation of the Magnuson - Moss Warranty act of 1975 by clicking on the following link: http://www.pipelin e.com/~rmantis/webdoc14.htm

 

The M-M Act is a great way to possibly get your money after a couple of years. You can't go into a dealer and invoke M-M and expect them to jump. They won't. M-M is fine if you have the time. The manufacturer certainly does.