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Old Nov 4, 2007 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by mizzouHHR
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Now it sounds like Bush Bush has WMDs, yet has not used them, and wouldn't use them unless we were in grave and imminent danger.

Provide proof http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=52932 and this is just one of many

if the evidence is strong...post a link. how about our policies in making and reselling firearms and aircraft to other countries? do you think we sell it to them to not kill people? don't you think some of the weapons we provided to the middle east during the cold war are not killing our own troops today?
http://abcnews.go.com/International/...1692347&page=1 again, just one of many. And as I said, I would believe Richard Clarke since he was in the State dept and head of the counter terrorism dept for 30 years. For you lefties, he is also not a friend of the Bush Administration. As far as old weapons, anything is possible. At the time Saddam seemed the lessor of two evils, so he was supported in the Iran-Iraq war.

when the US backs you up as an ally...best to be sure you are the aggressor All I can say to that is WOW. Why do you hate your country? Why do you live here? You are free to leave.

you are a radical extremist as well...in fact you are a radical extremist
who keeps referring to us as fabric, get it right....its SATAN!!!!
Again see above. If you hate it here and think we are the great satin, leave.

please tell me why we are in Iraq?] Easy, we are in Iraq to put in place a stable democracy in the Middle East in an effort to stabilize the region and bring peace to a part of the world that knows only war.

ahh lets see here...

"striking resemblance" DOES NOT MEAN thats is him.. may look like, could more then likely by him, but who knows...if this guy believes the gubment so much then believe the CIA and many other intelligence reports that STATE he was not even there...matter of fact they say he was in the russian embassy doing things, therefore that pictures says it was printed by a russian newspaper...even OUR OWN hostages hve said HE WASNT THERE...of course in this day and age to drum up a little propoganda, there are ppl who manipulate photos...AND IM SURE YOU BELIEVE THE LAST 2 OR 3 OSAMA VIDEOS ARE REAL AS WELL HUH? he may have been there, he was like 20 yrs old, an islamic student, he got caught up in all that, so what? we have all done things like that when we are young abd believe in things, get over it.... HE WASNT THERE and HE WASNT A HOSTAGE TAKER

bush has WMD, WE RE NOT IN IMMINENT DANGER from IRAN SO WHY DOESNT HE TAKE HS HEADOUT HIS ASS AND NOT CALL FOR A "PRE-EMPTIVE NOOCULAR STRIKE" ?? and remember the OTHER AGGRESSOR NATION that HAS NUKEs is ISRAEL

about the weapons, yes anything is possible, but there has been no CLEAR evidence that iranian weapons are killing the troops; like ive said, the pictures that were shown in the media as bieng IRANIAN were BS

again they dont hate us cuz our religion, our freedom whatever other bull**** that ppl say... IS IT A COINCIDENCE that whenever they take hostages/blow **** up/do thier "terrorist" thing, that they say something about us bieng in the holy land? and for us to get out? and cuz we support israel??? they dont hate us cuz of that right? cuz we UNCONDITIONALLY SUPPORT a REAL terrorist state israel?
again linking this (graphic) http://www.halturnershow.com/IsraeliAtrocities.html

i dont think we are evil.... i think bush and his whole crew are evil.. i actually supported him the first time, but after all the lies and bull****..that all changed...he is killing out troops for no good...
now that bold part has to be the biggest pile of horse**** i have ever read or heard comoug out of the warmongers mouths....
first it was cuz of WMD.... WRONG THERE ARE NONE....
second to get rid of a "tyrant"..ok so now what? LEAVE
rememeber MISSION ACCOMPISHED?
now its to bring a peace and stability to IRAQ...they had it under saddam
now its for this, its for that blah blah blah ALL LIES...
i mean how much crap and lies can be told? from the whole JESSICA LYNCH HOAX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgLiUDXFMe4 <<===
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=preg9uNOcu0 <=== listen to the end of the video
thats just the tip of the iceburg with all the LIES and PROPOGANDa...
reminds me of the NAZIS... geobbles anyone?
Old Nov 4, 2007 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by mizzouHHR
please tell me why we are in Iraq?] Easy, we are in Iraq to put in place a stable democracy in the Middle East in an effort to stabilize the region and bring peace to a part of the world that knows only war.
Nah, we are there because to uphiold "American Interests". The main one being the contunued access to oil. That is the truth behind our rational, but most politicians will NOT say it. If we really cared to institute stable democracies to better a region we should have started with North Korea. It's not like we have not presided over that area for the last fifty plus years too.
We blew our cover when we let the Sha of Iran get deposed and have been ichin' to regain control in a meaningful way ever since.
911 gave the administration enough brow beating word play to convince us that Saddam was somehow tied in with it. Heck Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iran seemed to have more to do with the 911 plot than Iraq.

No , we are in Iraq because of $$ interests and to try and secure a future oil flow from the area and no one really wants to admit it while they are in a position of power. Hence our former $ champion, Alan Greenspan came out with the truth AFTER he left power.
Read the Vanity Fair Paul Wolfowitz piece on the war in Iraq. He states the administration used the fear of WMDs and instituting a democracy in Iraq as rationals BECAUSE they were the easiest for the American public to be led to and convinced of, not because they were chief reasons for the war, they were MUCH lower on the list of real reasons.

The way the administration is ratcheting up their rhetoric on Iran, it does seem they will get their wish of WWIII real soon. I just hope we can all stomach the inevitable Draft............

I'm looking for candidates who will not lie to us. There are none in either party it seems. The whole "Absolute Power corrupts absolutely" Line.
Old Nov 4, 2007 | 10:45 AM
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Lone ranger, I have not agreed with you very often, but with this you are right on the money. Nice post.
Thanks.
Old Nov 4, 2007 | 10:52 AM
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Israel just wants to be left alone.

If those fighting Israel would lay down their arms there would be peace tomorrow; if Israel were to lay down arms it would be destroyed tomorrow.
Old Nov 4, 2007 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Lone Ranger
Israel just wants to be left alone.

If those fighting Israel would lay down their arms there would be peace tomorrow; if Israel were to lay down arms it would be destroyed tomorrow.
Exactly.
Old Nov 4, 2007 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Lone Ranger
Israel just wants to be left alone.

If those fighting Israel would lay down their arms there would be peace tomorrow; if Israel were to lay down arms it would be destroyed tomorrow.
I would hope that to be true, but home much money can be made by the arms manufacturers d maintaining peace? We humans love war, why else would we constantly lie to pursue it?
Old Nov 4, 2007 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by EL_REY
ahh lets see here...

"striking resemblance" DOES NOT MEAN thats is him.. may look like, could more then likely by him, but who knows...if this guy believes the gubment so much then believe the CIA and many other intelligence reports that STATE he was not even there...matter of fact they say he was in the russian embassy doing things, therefore that pictures says it was printed by a russian newspaper...even OUR OWN hostages hve said HE WASNT THERE...of course in this day and age to drum up a little propoganda, there are ppl who manipulate photos...AND IM SURE YOU BELIEVE THE LAST 2 OR 3 OSAMA VIDEOS ARE REAL AS WELL HUH? he may have been there, he was like 20 yrs old, an islamic student, he got caught up in all that, so what? we have all done things like that when we are young abd believe in things, get over it.... HE WASNT THERE and HE WASNT A HOSTAGE TAKER

bush has WMD, WE RE NOT IN IMMINENT DANGER from IRAN SO WHY DOESNT HE TAKE HS HEADOUT HIS ASS AND NOT CALL FOR A "PRE-EMPTIVE NOOCULAR STRIKE" ?? and remember the OTHER AGGRESSOR NATION that HAS NUKEs is ISRAEL

about the weapons, yes anything is possible, but there has been no CLEAR evidence that iranian weapons are killing the troops; like ive said, the pictures that were shown in the media as bieng IRANIAN were BS

again they dont hate us cuz our religion, our freedom whatever other bull**** that ppl say... IS IT A COINCIDENCE that whenever they take hostages/blow **** up/do thier "terrorist" thing, that they say something about us bieng in the holy land? and for us to get out? and cuz we support israel??? they dont hate us cuz of that right? cuz we UNCONDITIONALLY SUPPORT a REAL terrorist state israel?
again linking this (graphic) http://www.halturnershow.com/IsraeliAtrocities.html

i dont think we are evil.... i think bush and his whole crew are evil.. i actually supported him the first time, but after all the lies and bull****..that all changed...he is killing out troops for no good...
now that bold part has to be the biggest pile of horse**** i have ever read or heard comoug out of the warmongers mouths....
first it was cuz of WMD.... WRONG THERE ARE NONE....
second to get rid of a "tyrant"..ok so now what? LEAVE
rememeber MISSION ACCOMPISHED?
now its to bring a peace and stability to IRAQ...they had it under saddam
now its for this, its for that blah blah blah ALL LIES...
i mean how much crap and lies can be told? from the whole JESSICA LYNCH HOAX
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgLiUDXFMe4 <<===
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=preg9uNOcu0 <=== listen to the end of the video
thats just the tip of the iceburg with all the LIES and PROPOGANDa...
reminds me of the NAZIS... geobbles anyone?
Where do I even start with this?
I did say there was a question as to whether or not he was part of the hijackers. You have to listen to both sides, not just what you WANT to hear. There is doubt on both sides and sadly we may never know the truth. I believe bin laden was killed in Torra borra, so no I don't believe the tapes of him are real.

Bush is using strong language against a foe to keep them in check. Iran must not be allowed to achieve nuclear weapons. He will NOT use WMD's unless we are in grave danger. The reason we have WMD is so we NEVER have to use them.

There is clear evidence pointing to weapons from Iran, you just choose not to believe it, which is fine, you are entitled to your opinion.

Israel is a part of the hate, true, but so is our lifestyle, and our freedom. We are not seen as the great satin solely for our support of Israel.

"i don't think we are evil.... i think bush and his whole crew are evil. This statement tells me a lot about you. I can't even debate that type of hate, so I'll leave it at that. Mission Accomplished was a banner placed on the USS Abraham Lincoln Carrier. They were on their way home, their mission was accomplished. It was in no way directed at the war on terror or the conflict in Iraq. Please tell me how Saddam brought peace to Iraq? he tried to take over a sovereign country in Kuwait, He brutally killed his own people who dared speak out against him. We have uncovered mass grave after mass grave. He was a brutal dictator.

Jessica lynch. Yes it was such a horrible torture to be humiliated by a female. You just can't compare that type of torture with beheading.
Old Nov 4, 2007 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Harpozep
Nah, we are there because to uphiold "American Interests". The main one being the contunued access to oil. That is the truth behind our rational, but most politicians will NOT say it. If we really cared to institute stable democracies to better a region we should have started with North Korea. It's not like we have not presided over that area for the last fifty plus years too.
We blew our cover when we let the Sha of Iran get deposed and have been ichin' to regain control in a meaningful way ever since.
911 gave the administration enough brow beating word play to convince us that Saddam was somehow tied in with it. Heck Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Iran seemed to have more to do with the 911 plot than Iraq.

No , we are in Iraq because of $$ interests and to try and secure a future oil flow from the area and no one really wants to admit it while they are in a position of power. Hence our former $ champion, Alan Greenspan came out with the truth AFTER he left power.
Read the Vanity Fair Paul Wolfowitz piece on the war in Iraq. He states the administration used the fear of WMDs and instituting a democracy in Iraq as rationals BECAUSE they were the easiest for the American public to be led to and convinced of, not because they were chief reasons for the war, they were MUCH lower on the list of real reasons.

The way the administration is ratcheting up their rhetoric on Iran, it does seem they will get their wish of WWIII real soon. I just hope we can all stomach the inevitable Draft............

I'm looking for candidates who will not lie to us. There are none in either party it seems. The whole "Absolute Power corrupts absolutely" Line.
Oil can not be taken out of the equation, after all it is what gives Middle Eastern countries their power, but I don't think it was the sole reason for going to Iraq.

I do agree with you on the canidates for President. No one in either party has me jumping up and down. Just more of the same old B.S.
Old Nov 4, 2007 | 12:32 PM
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No matter what America is screwed because of all of our international involvement and our choices of who we back. It's a big jumbled mess of we're all screwed. We need to stop bringing Democracy to the world and backing sketchy countries and groups with lots of enemies. Focus more on our country rather than the rest of the world.
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