Kill 'bad GM' so 'good GM' can live?
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From: Charleston, S.C.
And the Easter Bunny told you that???
Funny I was watching a TV show, Dateline or 20/20 about 3 months ago where they were following a whole bunch of plant foreman, Ford I think, that checked in at work and then left and went to the bar. This was day after day after day. They had them on tape. They interviewed them in the bar. Some of them went home too. All were on the clock at the plant. Of course they all denied everything when showed the tapes later.
But I guess that was eons ago.
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Joined: 03-28-2008
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From: Oshawa
And the Easter Bunny told you that???
Funny I was watching a TV show, Dateline or 20/20 about 3 months ago where they were following a whole bunch of plant foreman, Ford I think, that checked in at work and then left and went to the bar. This was day after day after day. They had them on tape. They interviewed them in the bar. Some of them went home too. All were on the clock at the plant. Of course they all denied everything when showed the tapes later.
But I guess that was eons ago.
Funny I was watching a TV show, Dateline or 20/20 about 3 months ago where they were following a whole bunch of plant foreman, Ford I think, that checked in at work and then left and went to the bar. This was day after day after day. They had them on tape. They interviewed them in the bar. Some of them went home too. All were on the clock at the plant. Of course they all denied everything when showed the tapes later.
But I guess that was eons ago.
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Joined: 04-30-2006
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From: Maryland Heights, MO
wow, chimps could do union jobs? lets be realistic. i work for a union but i also work for a power company. i put all the power lines in the air when your power goes out. i hate to think that i would make such an acusation and catogorize jobs as either bad or good. there are pros and cons with everything. as a whole union jobs are good. like everything though,you have certain people take advantage of it. get over it. look at your job or your neighbors. could a chimp do their job or does everyperson doing that job not find someway to take advantage of it. would you like to work on 14,000 volts of electricity or higher everyday. would you like to rush around and put everybodies power up in a storm, work 16 hours a day, sleep 4 hours and get paid less then $20 an hour, pay for your own insurance, and not have benefits? my boss would like to think so. so lets give peolple credit in whatever bluecollar job they work at and not insult the way of living. if you dont work for a union great, all the power to you, for those who do its their way of living. my union lets my wife stay at home and raise my kids, which is probably the most important job out there and is way underated!!!!!!!!
I did say that unions are good also. You failed to see that.
No matter what you say though, unions also protect the jobs of many who deserve to lose their job, or at least it should be given to someone more willing to do the work. I'm not saying that people like this are the majority either. Most union workers, like me, take great pride in their work and work very hard. In many industries it is the union who makes sure that proper training is done and that jobsites remain safe.
And yeah, be realistic, there ARE union jobs that could be done by a chimp. Heck, robots have taken the place of many hard working union members in lots of industries. My point was that some jobs really don't require a union. And that many, unskilled, manufacturing assembly lines could have been saved if the company did not have to deal with all of the extra costs of having to deal with a union. And there are many who are lazy, dragging down productivity, and would not be able to keep their jobs if it were not for unions.
Let the flaming begin!
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From: Oshawa
Low standards often get set that a chimp could meet and probably do better.
This is the sort of thinking that the press usually writes up. You know the silly stuff that they use to get the public to think that union represented work is easy. The robots that are in the manufacturing sector are, to some people's surprise, programmed by union workers, maintained by union workers and replaced when broken down by union workers. A chimp would not be able to do 8 hrs/day on a line, never mind reprogram a robot's software. Your insults are not need. Most humans that have not tried a line job should try it for a while and see if they can handle it. It's not as easy as you say.
In the year of 1977, the Oshawa plant had 5000 hirings, only 750 stayed. The rest took one look at the line work and headed back out the door to find some other type of work elsewhere. I know this is fact because my father worked in the GM medical centre and he showed me the files of the new hirees and the one's that exited the plant quite hastily. Most do not like what they see.
And towards the dragging down productivity, the line pushed out 550 jobs per shift. That is productivity in auto industry!! At a line speed of 75 jobs /hr, little time is wasted for anything.
This is the sort of thinking that the press usually writes up. You know the silly stuff that they use to get the public to think that union represented work is easy. The robots that are in the manufacturing sector are, to some people's surprise, programmed by union workers, maintained by union workers and replaced when broken down by union workers. A chimp would not be able to do 8 hrs/day on a line, never mind reprogram a robot's software. Your insults are not need. Most humans that have not tried a line job should try it for a while and see if they can handle it. It's not as easy as you say.
In the year of 1977, the Oshawa plant had 5000 hirings, only 750 stayed. The rest took one look at the line work and headed back out the door to find some other type of work elsewhere. I know this is fact because my father worked in the GM medical centre and he showed me the files of the new hirees and the one's that exited the plant quite hastily. Most do not like what they see.
And towards the dragging down productivity, the line pushed out 550 jobs per shift. That is productivity in auto industry!! At a line speed of 75 jobs /hr, little time is wasted for anything.
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Joined: 04-30-2006
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From: Maryland Heights, MO
Low standards often get set that a chimp could meet and probably do better.
This is the sort of thinking that the press usually writes up. You know the silly stuff that they use to get the public to think that union represented work is easy. The robots that are in the manufacturing sector are, to some people's surprise, programmed by union workers, maintained by union workers and replaced when broken down by union workers. A chimp would not be able to do 8 hrs/day on a line, never mind reprogram a robot's software. Your insults are not need. Most humans that have not tried a line job should try it for a while and see if they can handle it. It's not as easy as you say.
In the year of 1977, the Oshawa plant had 5000 hirings, only 750 stayed. The rest took one look at the line work and headed back out the door to find some other type of work elsewhere. I know this is fact because my father worked in the GM medical centre and he showed me the files of the new hirees and the one's that exited the plant quite hastily. Most do not like what they see.
And towards the dragging down productivity, the line pushed out 550 jobs per shift. That is productivity in auto industry!! At a line speed of 75 jobs /hr, little time is wasted for anything.
This is the sort of thinking that the press usually writes up. You know the silly stuff that they use to get the public to think that union represented work is easy. The robots that are in the manufacturing sector are, to some people's surprise, programmed by union workers, maintained by union workers and replaced when broken down by union workers. A chimp would not be able to do 8 hrs/day on a line, never mind reprogram a robot's software. Your insults are not need. Most humans that have not tried a line job should try it for a while and see if they can handle it. It's not as easy as you say.
In the year of 1977, the Oshawa plant had 5000 hirings, only 750 stayed. The rest took one look at the line work and headed back out the door to find some other type of work elsewhere. I know this is fact because my father worked in the GM medical centre and he showed me the files of the new hirees and the one's that exited the plant quite hastily. Most do not like what they see.
And towards the dragging down productivity, the line pushed out 550 jobs per shift. That is productivity in auto industry!! At a line speed of 75 jobs /hr, little time is wasted for anything.
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